"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How many lays have the So Suave crew had?

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Since this IS a forum about becoming succesful with women as a compliment to a Don Juans Life, I'm curious on how many lays the So Suave crew have had? Rollo, Desdinova, JoPhil, Victory Unlimited, Rescue Mission, Kailex, Nismo, speakeasy, Squirrells and all the other So Suaver's.

This is mainly for those Mature Man Forum users, this isn't a serious question, just a curious question. It's obvious this question is amongst other less older or experienced users minds. I'd just like to know since some of the above names give extremely good advice on women, how many times have you done the dirty with different women.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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This is the internet. Do you really expect an honest answer?

anyway, me, around 5000.
 

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The one thing every one here has in common is that we recognise you can take control of this part of your life, and improve it…

The range of people here range from good with women to hopelessly awkward… and al lot of guys have bitter wiews on women as they can t deal with it...

Zekko said this which is pretty damn true...
zekko said:
I don't really think the number of plates you have at any one time is the most reliable indicator of success with women. A better measurement might be the quality of women you can get, and whether or not you can keep them if you desire. If your goal is just trying to bang multiple women I honestly don't think that is that difficult a task to achieve (although I guess it is for some).
 
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Real Talk said:
This is the internet. Do you really expect an honest answer?

anyway, me, around 5000.
Time and a place to be immature dude, exactly why I asked the regulars and experienced users of age who have possibly achieved having multiple quality women, I'd like to know where the pinnacle can get. Since these trusted users have experience ON HERE.

Why shouldn't I get an honest answer here? Don't you bum around with you're buds whilst drinking beer and watching ESPN talking about how many lays you've had and which girls were the hottest etc, normal guys-talk topic.

People as so much reveal their past bad relationships on here with horror stories that resemble the Twilight franchise, so why not about how many women they have laid off?

Anyone that NEEDS to lie about how many women they've slept with, is only lying to themselves and not taking any skin off anybody elses nose. Why is this such an unspoken forbidden topic? It's alright for NBA and Rock stars to reveal their toll, but we can't here?
 

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About this much.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I'm curious on how many lays the So Suave crew have had?
If I can speak on behalf of Mature Men, I'd say we don't keep track.

It's kind of like asking how many songs on the radio have you heard in your whole life.
 

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Six different girls, but I don't know the total number of times I've done the nasty, though. Low number considering my age, but I wasn't into girls for a few years.
 

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I'm curious on how many lays the So Suave crew have had?
Well, I fvcked the same woman for the last 8 years. Before I found this place, I fvcked the same woman for 4 years. There's a bunch of in-betweens in there that I could care less about remembering. If you want to talk about actual lays, lots. If you want to talk about the number of women I've screwed, the number will be on the low side.
 

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Desdinova said:
Well, I fvcked the same woman for the last 8 years. Before I found this place, I fvcked the same woman for 4 years. There's a bunch of in-betweens in there that I could care less about remembering. If you want to talk about actual lays, lots. If you want to talk about the number of women I've screwed, the number will be on the low side.
Youre on a ltr, i have to say that kind of relationship is something that is atracting me with every passing day, but do i leave one night stands and go for ltr? :/
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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if you are counting the different number of women throughty my life time.. somewhere between 60-75
 

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CarlitosWay said:
One billion gagillion fafillion shabadabalo shabadamillion shabaling shabalomillion http://www.cherryflava.com/cherryflava/drevil.gif
:crackup: I never knew you had that many weight magazines stashed under you're starewell, bro?

Thanks for everybody else who just gave a simple answer to an all-guys topic which is talked about out in the real world. Guess some folks have too much of an ego to lay a sentence down how backbreaker and Desdinova had done already.
 

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if you are counting the different number of women throughty my life time.. somewhere between 60-75
I seriously thought my answer was correct, that we "mature men" don't keep track. Apparently I was wrong, it looks like some of these guys keep track. But Backbreaker is only 27. I doubt that guys my age keep track. I don't keep track. I did when I was a youngster.
 

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I'm 18. I've been with two women. Both were LTRS through High school.

As for the number of times I had sex, I can't really say. Its not amazingly high, but it was more or less every weekend.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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zekko said:
I seriously thought my answer was correct, that we "mature men" don't keep track. Apparently I was wrong, it looks like some of these guys keep track. But Backbreaker is only 27. I doubt that guys my age keep track. I don't keep track. I did when I was a youngster.
i don't keep track, it's not like i have a running tab somewhere. it's a guesstimate. dude it's not that hard to sit down and think about the women you have put your **** in.

i think it's a fairly accurate guess.
 

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I heard this before..from a woman actually:

It is strange if a guy hasn't slept with at least 10 girls before he is married. And if a girl slept with more than 10.


My take on this is such: after you sleep with 5-10 women you should know what you are doing, hence now you can be more selective. I know I've turned down a lot more women than I've been with - I know some guys can't do this and end up with high numbers that for some reason they are proud of. Mine is around 30, and honestly I wouldn't want it to be 90 with a bunch of women I didn't quite want added.


Although sometimes I did tell myself after rejecting some chick "shoulda still done it, you only live once.. lol"
 

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The Mad Ghost said:
:crackup: I never knew you had that many weight magazines stashed under you're starewell, bro?

Thanks for everybody else who just gave a simple answer to an all-guys topic which is talked about out in the real world. Guess some folks have too much of an ego to lay a sentence down how backbreaker and Desdinova had done already.
In all honesty though I was in 1 LTR for a bit, have had 2-3 flings and many other times I could have but was a chump (earlier days way before I discovered sosuave).

So word to others, when the opportunity arises, don't fret and question yourself/chump out. GO FOR IT!!!
 

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Oxide said:
I heard this before..from a woman actually:

It is strange if a guy hasn't slept with at least 10 girls before he is married. And if a girl slept with more than 10.
I don't freaking get this.

Let's hypothesise like this:
- she fvcked 2 throughout highschool
- about 4 in college
- she went on summer vacations and that adds 2 more
- 2 more at parties, clubs or some other dudes who she met in various places and had brief relationships with

There are your 10 men between aprox. 17 and 25! And I was thinking about what you'd consider to be a really good girl.


Really, if a girl told you "I only had two boyfriends in highschool", would that seem ridiculously high? Nope.. perfectly normal.

If she told you "Oh, it was once at the seaside when I met a really cool guy and throughout the week I spent there we hanged together". Would you believe she was a hor? Nope...

If she told you "I had a 2 year relationship in the first two years of college, then we split up as it wasn't working out and I met another guy who I was with for 6 months. He proved to be a jackass so we split up. That was two months ago and now I met YOU! I really like you!"
And then you two split up and she'll find the guy who she will get married with.
It seems perfectly reasonable, doesn't it?


Look at the numbers adding up!!
Add the fact that, if she wasn't a really shy girl, she went to parties, events, parks etcetera where she'll prolly hook up a few times throughout the 10-15 years of sexual activity before she got married.

If she was a hotness that was constantly being hit on and wasn't very uptight about getting sexed then the number of partners would be much higher: consider she was/is very outgoing and she was/is clubbing and stuff like that; consider that she fvcked/s (on average) 2 men/year (it's really not that much. think about it.)
2 men * 13 years = 26 men
Funny how numbers work!


Maybe my perception of reality is totally messed up, I don't know. :confused:

That was to prove the first point.




And the second point:

why care how many she's been with? Is it the jealousy that she might have been with more partners than you (and consequently had more experiences and fun than you)?
She is a human just like you and could have had just as high of a libido as you did!
But instead you are having fantasies and expectations of exciting, innocent and almost virgin girls to be with! **


Regarding the numbers of chicks you've been with: why care about the number and not care about the overall satisfaction?
eg: Isn't it more exciting to know that you've fvcked all kinds of girls that you desired: milfs, college girls, teens, blondes, brunettes, glamour types etc.?
Isn't the number of girls you've been with a wrong gauge of sexual gratification you've had?

I can see how that number can be exciting, but only as a rough estimation.




** I'm not personal with anyone here
 

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ive had about 6 girls i think. one was a ltr and i banged her hundreds of times. the others no more than maybe 10 each, some quite less.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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