"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
how long will she mess with your head?
- Thread starter nan3109
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Hubris
Don Juan
Post specifics.
Judging by what you posted in the other thread, you should probably go and write down everything between you and this girl here and get some advice from these fine folk on this board.
Judging by what you posted in the other thread, you should probably go and write down everything between you and this girl here and get some advice from these fine folk on this board.
IWannaBeAHippy
New Member
Many species of gameplaying
Hmm.. first of all, (assuming as Hubris did) that this is a girl that is in your life / around you etc. and not a hypothetical case then its really quite fantastic that you have recognised it, for now, it doesn’t matter how long she plays her games, or should I say tries to play her games..
Now, about that question of yours, 'How long can games do for?' Well, there are plenty of grey areas here, but, games can go forever!! Haven’t you read the book 'Great Expectations'? I haven’t ;-) But its something along the lines of a game being played for a very long time and some poor guy putting up with it. If I'm wrong here... ill edit this post.
To answer your question specifics would be good, but in the short run there are a couple of possible responses that I reckon should cover your question.. I think these will pretty much cover babes in the 15 to 25 age bracket or thereabouts. I’ll post stuff as I think about it.
Hmm.. first of all, (assuming as Hubris did) that this is a girl that is in your life / around you etc. and not a hypothetical case then its really quite fantastic that you have recognised it, for now, it doesn’t matter how long she plays her games, or should I say tries to play her games..
Now, about that question of yours, 'How long can games do for?' Well, there are plenty of grey areas here, but, games can go forever!! Haven’t you read the book 'Great Expectations'? I haven’t ;-) But its something along the lines of a game being played for a very long time and some poor guy putting up with it. If I'm wrong here... ill edit this post.
To answer your question specifics would be good, but in the short run there are a couple of possible responses that I reckon should cover your question.. I think these will pretty much cover babes in the 15 to 25 age bracket or thereabouts. I’ll post stuff as I think about it.
IWannaBeAHippy
New Member
Girl Type 1: The psychopath
Game Length: 1 Week to 2 Months
Basic Rationale: This type knows exactly what they’re doing on some level. She’s a psychopath. Not a psychopath like she tortures little kittens and watches Jason X to get fashion tips, more like she’s arrogant and she thinks she’s God’s gift to the world, although at the same time, she’s a little insecure.
Most likely she’s in her teens or went through a delayed puberty, she’s deluded, those hormones are going crazy. She doesn’t know weather she’s coming or going, and to her, its all business as usual.
So where exactly is she coming from?… Well, her awful behavior derives from her arrogance. Her inability to decide what she actually wants comes from her insecurity and lack of life experience. She doesn’t think in terms of 'you','your feelings' and the possibility that she might hurt someone, quite the opposite. (For example, if someone’s rude to her, its 'How dare they!!!' not 'He’s having a bad day' or 'Perhaps I did something')
She feels that any guy who doesn’t fit her mold of what the perfect teenage/20teen boyfriend should be is common trash and owes her something for even breathing near her. It’s up to you to take charge of this little bundle of dynamite... perhaps if you’re a master DJ or have a degree in neuroscience you can figure out to do here. For us mere mortals or uber DJs, just ditch the beeotchh!
Game Length: 1 Week to 2 Months
Basic Rationale: This type knows exactly what they’re doing on some level. She’s a psychopath. Not a psychopath like she tortures little kittens and watches Jason X to get fashion tips, more like she’s arrogant and she thinks she’s God’s gift to the world, although at the same time, she’s a little insecure.
Most likely she’s in her teens or went through a delayed puberty, she’s deluded, those hormones are going crazy. She doesn’t know weather she’s coming or going, and to her, its all business as usual.
So where exactly is she coming from?… Well, her awful behavior derives from her arrogance. Her inability to decide what she actually wants comes from her insecurity and lack of life experience. She doesn’t think in terms of 'you','your feelings' and the possibility that she might hurt someone, quite the opposite. (For example, if someone’s rude to her, its 'How dare they!!!' not 'He’s having a bad day' or 'Perhaps I did something')
She feels that any guy who doesn’t fit her mold of what the perfect teenage/20teen boyfriend should be is common trash and owes her something for even breathing near her. It’s up to you to take charge of this little bundle of dynamite... perhaps if you’re a master DJ or have a degree in neuroscience you can figure out to do here. For us mere mortals or uber DJs, just ditch the beeotchh!
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Jake Steed
Master Don Juan
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As long as you let her.Originally posted by nan3109
how long will a girl whos playing games with you (making you think she likes you) before she stops and just stops her whole game?
Jake
E-Z Rider
Master Don Juan
From what you wrote there, it looks like you expect the girl to at some point make a move, tell you what's up, or whatever.Originally posted by nan3109
how long will a girl whos playing games with you (making you think she likes you) before she stops and just stops her whole game? a week? a month? a year?
Assuming the girl DOES like you, she's most likely NOT going to *ever* "stop" her games on her own. She'll flirt heavily, then pull back, and repeat. This is what women do to make men fall for them.
Here we teach that it's YOU who stop the games. You build up the attraction, ask for a date. If she declines the date offer, next her (unless she has a believable excuse, in which case you might give her another chance. Use your own discretion). If she accepts, good. Then at some point on one of the first dates, make a move, kiss her. She declines the kiss, you can either pull back a bit and try again later, then quit, or just next her right then. If she accepts the kiss and returns it, then good. Date her non-exclusively until she tells you she wants to be exclusive...and then become exclusive if you desire.
This pattern above is pretty much the closet thing to a "set" rule that there is with DJ-ing. It can obviously vary and skip steps, but overall the elements are always present in a similar form.
Do this, and you cut through 90% of the bullsh!t women give you when you try to get with them. But there will always be some bullsh!t. These are women, remember. Just be a man and don't let it bother you. Press on. You are the hunter and conqueror.
Hope this helps- -E-Z
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Re: Re: how long will she mess with your head?
'nuff said...Originally posted by Jake Steed
As long as you let her.
Jake
Pimp-sicle
Master Don Juan
Re: Re: how long will she mess with your head?
PIMP
Couldn't have summarized it better myself. Bump on a good post EZ!!Originally posted by E-Z Rider
From what you wrote there, it looks like you expect the girl to at some point make a move, tell you what's up, or whatever.
Assuming the girl DOES like you, she's most likely NOT going to *ever* "stop" her games on her own. She'll flirt heavily, then pull back, and repeat. This is what women do to make men fall for them.
Here we teach that it's YOU who stop the games. You build up the attraction, ask for a date. If she declines the date offer, next her (unless she has a believable excuse, in which case you might give her another chance. Use your own discretion). If she accepts, good. Then at some point on one of the first dates, make a move, kiss her. She declines the kiss, you can either pull back a bit and try again later, then quit, or just next her right then. If she accepts the kiss and returns it, then good. Date her non-exclusively until she tells you she wants to be exclusive...and then become exclusive if you desire.
This pattern above is pretty much the closet thing to a "set" rule that there is with DJ-ing. It can obviously vary and skip steps, but overall the elements are always present in a similar form.
Do this, and you cut through 90% of the bullsh!t women give you when you try to get with them. But there will always be some bullsh!t. These are women, remember. Just be a man and don't let it bother you. Press on. You are the hunter and conqueror.
Hope this helps- -E-Z
PIMP