jtrain 289
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How long did it take you guys of practice after you found this sit5e or whatever site you use top finnaly start to get girls.
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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WC2
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This site will not alone help you get women. It can open your possibilities, but it will not propel you into laying women in a short amount of time; not even in a lengthy amount of time.
The best teacher is experience. You go through an experience, come back here and analyze it. Fix your mistakes and go back at it again.
A lot of men such as myself joined this site not because we couldn't get women, but because we were having trouble with women in our lives at the present time and how to deal with them.
If you're starting from scratch, I recommend getting into the field before you read a lot of this crap, cause it's just going to fuk up your mind for now. Get some minutes in and get hurt a little. Then come back.
The best teacher is experience. You go through an experience, come back here and analyze it. Fix your mistakes and go back at it again.
A lot of men such as myself joined this site not because we couldn't get women, but because we were having trouble with women in our lives at the present time and how to deal with them.
If you're starting from scratch, I recommend getting into the field before you read a lot of this crap, cause it's just going to fuk up your mind for now. Get some minutes in and get hurt a little. Then come back.
Hmm depends!
Three years ago I was totally insecure wreak of nerves. Then I discovered the ultimate book of body language and that make me "Eureka!"
Two years ago was better! Had a lot of fun, started being more dj and all. Was still teased reguraly tho. No SI books.
One year ago I discovered SS and my life improved A LOT really! People messed with me still, since I was very skinny, but I started to have more and more immunity. I started with DeAngelo and that made my life a lot easier at the time.
I've been reading it ever since and now I'm high self esteem, male, I'm starting to have A LOT more of confidence, good body, did major transformations, etc.
I've been in this for two, three years more or less and I'm FINNALY starting to see SOME respect! People don't really mess with me anymore that reguraly, I am sometimes ignored, but on state, NO ONE stops me.
I don't know how it is gong to work out for you tho, but the essential in SI is:
Believe in yourself even if no one else does!
Work hard!
Society WILL support you sooner or later.
This hasn't got to do with girls btw.
Three years ago I was totally insecure wreak of nerves. Then I discovered the ultimate book of body language and that make me "Eureka!"
Two years ago was better! Had a lot of fun, started being more dj and all. Was still teased reguraly tho. No SI books.
One year ago I discovered SS and my life improved A LOT really! People messed with me still, since I was very skinny, but I started to have more and more immunity. I started with DeAngelo and that made my life a lot easier at the time.
I've been reading it ever since and now I'm high self esteem, male, I'm starting to have A LOT more of confidence, good body, did major transformations, etc.
I've been in this for two, three years more or less and I'm FINNALY starting to see SOME respect! People don't really mess with me anymore that reguraly, I am sometimes ignored, but on state, NO ONE stops me.
I don't know how it is gong to work out for you tho, but the essential in SI is:
Believe in yourself even if no one else does!
Work hard!
Society WILL support you sooner or later.
This hasn't got to do with girls btw.
Yeah, I think that this site is just to get you on the right track. Then you go out, experience, once you find a problem that you can't manage yourself... Go here and ask! But you have to not fear rejection. Am I expressing myself well? Just get the core ideas, practice. Forget the most spefiic stuf.WC2 said:
I'd spare the gay "If I do this what will happen? IS sending smilies in text messages gay?" It gets boring after. Experience these kind of obvious questions IMO. It's the best way.
Remember that confidence goes a long way. What you say matters more then how you say. BE A MAN!
Once you start aiming at fun, I'd say you're going the right way. May take a while tho, but it's natural. Also remember that rejection is better then regret...
Oh, I almost forgot, DJ BIBLE!!
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
jtrain 289
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yea you guys are right i can see im improving but i still havent even made out with a girl. i just want to know how long it took you guys to get to the point of being able to make out with a girl . I read peoples profiles here an its usually either they came to this site already knowing how to get with a girl and just give advice. Or they are the ones that have never made out and keep asking questions and it remains tha way. I havent seen anyone yet here that came into this site and couldnt get girls and then improved and finnaly did get with girls.
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Interesting question...
After doing a lot of reading and experiencing a lot of rejection for around 2 to 3 months, I started to experience a bit of success. Things really started to go well after around 8 months when I found myself dating more than one woman at a time. After that, the women just kept coming.
But a time frame won't tell you anything. The determination to be successful at picking up women combined with actually going out and getting experience is what will make you a great Don Juan. You NEED to get rejected. You NEED to motivate yourself. You NEED to get your personality and attitude on the right track. You can't just flub your way through it all and use quick fixes to make things work. You NEED to change what you've been doing wrong all along when it comes to attracting women.
You can either bytch and whine that it's too hard to get a girlfriend, or you can grab your balls and work your ass off until you achieve the success you want.
After doing a lot of reading and experiencing a lot of rejection for around 2 to 3 months, I started to experience a bit of success. Things really started to go well after around 8 months when I found myself dating more than one woman at a time. After that, the women just kept coming.
But a time frame won't tell you anything. The determination to be successful at picking up women combined with actually going out and getting experience is what will make you a great Don Juan. You NEED to get rejected. You NEED to motivate yourself. You NEED to get your personality and attitude on the right track. You can't just flub your way through it all and use quick fixes to make things work. You NEED to change what you've been doing wrong all along when it comes to attracting women.
You can either bytch and whine that it's too hard to get a girlfriend, or you can grab your balls and work your ass off until you achieve the success you want.
jtrain 289
Senior Don Juan
yea im working my ass of right now i cant get a ride to the mall all the time so i just do it to girls in my school and trust me ive been getting rejected alot it should come soon i feel like im starteing tro get more condident with girls.(not caring what they think of me)
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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Hey, talking in terms of time is a bit misleading. It all depends on how much effort you put in. If you're really interested it took me one year of finding about pick up etc. to getting my first(and only) gf.
However another, and in my opinion a better way of looking at my situation is this. The second girl I asked agreed to date me. So if I had actually managed to make an effort and asked a few girls out earlier, I might have succeeded earlier.
Also the best advice I can give you is this. Dating is a numbers game as much as anything, so ask out as many girls as you can. If you're not yet very skilled in the game, don't worry but still keep asking, you are going to succeed eventually. You however need to be able to take rejection if you are going to try this, as it also means you will get rejected a lot.
Also another thing. Not all you read on these boards would be correct. For example the accepted wisdom on these boards seems to be that looks do not matter a lot if at all. I on the other hand strongly believe looks if nothing else would make thing easier for you. Sadly every thread on looks which I believe is an important factor in pick up keeps getting closed. So I would ask you to make sure you have more than 1 source of information on dating.
However another, and in my opinion a better way of looking at my situation is this. The second girl I asked agreed to date me. So if I had actually managed to make an effort and asked a few girls out earlier, I might have succeeded earlier.
Also the best advice I can give you is this. Dating is a numbers game as much as anything, so ask out as many girls as you can. If you're not yet very skilled in the game, don't worry but still keep asking, you are going to succeed eventually. You however need to be able to take rejection if you are going to try this, as it also means you will get rejected a lot.
Also another thing. Not all you read on these boards would be correct. For example the accepted wisdom on these boards seems to be that looks do not matter a lot if at all. I on the other hand strongly believe looks if nothing else would make thing easier for you. Sadly every thread on looks which I believe is an important factor in pick up keeps getting closed. So I would ask you to make sure you have more than 1 source of information on dating.
The harder you work at it the better the rewards in the end.
What I noticed about my development is that at the begining it was all a bit confusing. Then things started to become alot clearer.
Also, I wouldn't notice any change for weeks but then I'd go on a date and understand where I went wrong (after the date looking back) and keep dating and eventually the dates wanted a second date and a third etc and I was turning down dates in the finish. Also the women I was attracting were higher quality.
So work hard at it and although theres no measuring device to tell you how much of a DJ you are on a scale of 1 - 100, you'll know yourself as you interact with women.
What I noticed about my development is that at the begining it was all a bit confusing. Then things started to become alot clearer.
Also, I wouldn't notice any change for weeks but then I'd go on a date and understand where I went wrong (after the date looking back) and keep dating and eventually the dates wanted a second date and a third etc and I was turning down dates in the finish. Also the women I was attracting were higher quality.
So work hard at it and although theres no measuring device to tell you how much of a DJ you are on a scale of 1 - 100, you'll know yourself as you interact with women.
I'm almost two years into it now. Check my journal in my sig...
I'm not there yet, but I am 95% better then I was before I started. Before I started, I couldn't even look at them. Now I'm chilling, talking and hanging out with them in a normal way. I even got a date not too long ago... It didn't really work out but hey, I couldn't had pulled that one off two years ago. I went from super shy to open and extrovert. I'm definitely getting there.
The key is to get out there and meet as many women as possible.
I don't know if I'm going fast or not compared to the rest here. I have my own personal problems too that I have to deal with, that slows the process now.
I do think my progress is going so well because I actually go out there. The biggest mistake a lot of people here make I think is that they only read stuff that's on here. The only way to improve is to get out there and find out with trial and error. Sure there are some really good tips on here, but they're useless if you don't use them.
Seriously dude, I'm the living example of that everyone can do it. F#ck man, I used to be almost people shy and now I chat up random girls, hot ones too.
I'm not there yet, but I am 95% better then I was before I started. Before I started, I couldn't even look at them. Now I'm chilling, talking and hanging out with them in a normal way. I even got a date not too long ago... It didn't really work out but hey, I couldn't had pulled that one off two years ago. I went from super shy to open and extrovert. I'm definitely getting there.
The key is to get out there and meet as many women as possible.
I don't know if I'm going fast or not compared to the rest here. I have my own personal problems too that I have to deal with, that slows the process now.
I do think my progress is going so well because I actually go out there. The biggest mistake a lot of people here make I think is that they only read stuff that's on here. The only way to improve is to get out there and find out with trial and error. Sure there are some really good tips on here, but they're useless if you don't use them.
Seriously dude, I'm the living example of that everyone can do it. F#ck man, I used to be almost people shy and now I chat up random girls, hot ones too.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Furyguy
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First real success about four months after discovering this place.
Now 8 months into it and still steadily progressing, but nowhere near where I want to be or hope to be someday. It comes with practice and time. I'm definitely guilty of reading theory more than I practice.
Now 8 months into it and still steadily progressing, but nowhere near where I want to be or hope to be someday. It comes with practice and time. I'm definitely guilty of reading theory more than I practice.
I was more successful in about a week's time.
I avoided the forums and just read the articles and tips that were on the site that I thought would be relevant to my own situation. Then I read the bible. As i read a lot of this stuff I realized that I was already doing a lot of what is taught at this site. Though reading about it made me more aware of what I was already doing and helped me refine myself. There were also things I learned here that I had not been doing and I was able to incorporate that into my persona as well in a way that fit me.
As I was reading the site I looked back on my past. All of my own principles and successes had fit in line with the teachings on this site, though it had all happened without my really being aware of what exactly it was I was doing. My failures of the past all had at least one major flaw in my approach.
I found this site as I was looking to get out of a borderline friendzone relationship and into a more romantic one. This site helped to ease my mind about it all and not worry so much.
I registered on the forum to discuss certain topics (which really never works out as people just tend to want to give advice on the situation rather than discuss why certain situations exist in the first place, I am interested in a lot of the psychology behind it all). The other reason I registered was to give advice based on my own experiences.
I think a lot of people's "problems" here on the forums would have been avoided if they just took a couple weeks reading the material on the site and making an effort to first apply their new knowledge rather than asking directly for help.
I avoided the forums and just read the articles and tips that were on the site that I thought would be relevant to my own situation. Then I read the bible. As i read a lot of this stuff I realized that I was already doing a lot of what is taught at this site. Though reading about it made me more aware of what I was already doing and helped me refine myself. There were also things I learned here that I had not been doing and I was able to incorporate that into my persona as well in a way that fit me.
As I was reading the site I looked back on my past. All of my own principles and successes had fit in line with the teachings on this site, though it had all happened without my really being aware of what exactly it was I was doing. My failures of the past all had at least one major flaw in my approach.
I found this site as I was looking to get out of a borderline friendzone relationship and into a more romantic one. This site helped to ease my mind about it all and not worry so much.
I registered on the forum to discuss certain topics (which really never works out as people just tend to want to give advice on the situation rather than discuss why certain situations exist in the first place, I am interested in a lot of the psychology behind it all). The other reason I registered was to give advice based on my own experiences.
I think a lot of people's "problems" here on the forums would have been avoided if they just took a couple weeks reading the material on the site and making an effort to first apply their new knowledge rather than asking directly for help.
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