"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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How have you successfully gotten out of the friend zone?

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Stopped talking to her regularly, did me and focused on the people around me and other chicks. Kept on running into her occasionally out with other people and kept a funny and ****y vibe, confident, happy, made her laugh. Became more and more guy-girl over time with flirting, less friends. Tough to explain how but after months of not seeing someone it's an easier transition. Eventually flirting got stronger, took her out, hooked up, made it clear friendship wasn't an option through my actions, and banged her.

So in a way to get out of the friend zone, stop being friends with her. Just don't do this in a way that makes her hate you cause bad feelings become ingrained over time. Stay positive when seeing her.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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SamTheHobit said:
Way to persevere Bro.
I've got better things to persevere with than women, my friend! I'm chasing money, I'm persevering with that. I want my own place and my own Aston Martin DB5. Women are not worth persevering with! The game is just one massive gamble in the casino of life. You win some and you lose some, but what you should never do is chase after the losses. It's futile and a waste of time.
 

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perseverance said:
I've got better things to persevere than women, my friend! I'm chasing money, I'm persevering with that. I want my own place and my own Aston Martin DB5. Women are not worth persevering with! The game is just one massive gamble in the casino of life. You win some and you lose some, but what you should never do is chase after the losses. It's futile and a waste of time.
+1. Some girls will be hot for you and some won't. Inner game, looks, being jacked, having status, etc, all of that increases the numbers in your favor. Sure you could put the work in on one to change her mind, but once you're as fcked as in the friends zone, usually much easier to just let it go and find another fish to start fresh with.
 

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I've never been one to try and change a girls mind, she either likes me or she doesn't.
on one hand that is a healthy attitude. on the other it has a false premise. sometimes it is not just the question whether she likes you or not, sometimes you simply have messed up by doing all the wrong things at the right time. and for some that just sticks for a long time and needs remedy. plus here you can prove whether you really have learned something or not. tho i wouldnt make it my one and only mission either.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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hm I guess I can tell my story.

I met this girl at a club (she was my friends sister ) and danced with her all night, great vibes, didnt hook up with her that night but I grabbed her number. This was when I was first starting to learn all this information that is on this site and other sources. About a year and couple months ago.

I was talking to about 3 girls at the time so I treated her like the rest, ****y, funny, confident, teased the h3ll out of her, always had fun. Then I stopped texting the other girls (slowly stopped ) and focused on her. We had the best conversations, hung out almost every weekend. I figured sh1t if she wants to hang out with me so much she must like me. Ended up making out with her every time we hung out. Then she gave me head and it never went past that.

Eventually for what ever reason I started to get some feeling for this girl but her feelings for me were blocked because her brother was a good friend of mine. Either way like an idiot I told her how I felt and it went down hill fast. She rarely ever answered my texts and we became distant, she said oh we should just be friends, and that pretty much killed everything in a matter of minutes.

So eventually I NC'd her for a year and then I get a text from her while I was at the club and it pissed me off and brought back every terrible memory about this girl. Started texting her for a little bit and so on but the feelings came back (After a year of NC ) and I decided I have to get this girl out of my life, went NC again.

This is when I went through a huge change that I just recently started to see results. I changed my whole attitude towards women, read book of pook, others, currently doing the DJ BC, got pretty cut and ripped form the gym, walk with confidence , the whole ordeal. I get a text from her while im in Florida, multiple times shes initiates all the texting convos, she even asked me to hang out to go to the movies.

Ended up going with her only to get denied a kiss and only got the kiss her on the cheek. Either way, success or fail, she started to talk to me again and I decided to give her one more chance before she is out of my life for good.

All in all the friend zone is pretty lame, the best way to never be in it is to make yourself clear form the beginning with kino and being playful.
 
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self-respect said:
+1. Some girls will be hot for you and some won't. Inner game, looks, being jacked, having status, etc, all of that increases the numbers in your favor. Sure you could put the work in on one to change her mind, but once you're as fcked as in the friends zone, usually much easier to just let it go and find another fish to start fresh with.
Women's opinions are wishy washy, so I don't pay much heed to it all. I've had women who weren't initially interested in me develop interest at a later date and I've had the reverse where women have liked me, only to have lost that attraction at a point in time.

I don't believe in chasing after women and I am not someone who is going to jump through hoops for a woman or play games etc. If a woman is interested in me and I'm interested in her, then let's go out, have fun and see where it leads. I'm not going to chase, persuade or convince a woman to get with me, she either wants to or she doesn't.

I've got more important things to do with my spare-time like having fun and enjoying life to the fullest.
 
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on one hand that is a healthy attitude. on the other it has a false premise. sometimes it is not just the question whether she likes you or not, sometimes you simply have messed up by doing all the wrong things at the right time. and for some that just sticks for a long time and needs remedy. plus here you can prove whether you really have learned something or not. tho i wouldnt make it my one and only mission either.
If you mess up, you mess up. Learn from your mistakes and move on from it. If the woman offers you an olive branch at a later date, then you'll have to decide whether or not to pursue. What I don't recommend men do is to chase after that woman. I don't believe in chasing after women or persuading them to get with me. I know my value as a person, and if they cannot see that value or do not like what they see, then fair play to them, it's no skin off my nose.
 

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perseverance said:
If you mess up, you mess up. Learn from your mistakes and move on from it. If the woman offers you an olive branch at a later date, then you'll have to decide whether or not to pursue. What I don't recommend men do is to chase after that woman. I don't believe in chasing after women or persuading them to get with me. I know my value as a person, and if they cannot see that value or do not like what they see, then fair play to them, it's no skin off my nose.
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I think the whole trying to get out of the friendzone is a BIG waste of time. It takes months...even years to get out,and even that's no guarantee.


ALL THAT TIME dedicated to trying to get one girl? Anybody willing to do that HAS TO HAVE a bit of oneitis in them somewhere.



The friendzone is a MISTAKE,an error. It's a WRONG TURN somewhere.


Instead of trying to find way to FIX the mistake,I say just avoid making it in the first place. Why decide between using a mop or towel to clean up spilled milk when you can just avoid spilling it in the first place?



It's INFINITELY more easier to avoid the friendzone than trying to get out of it. I'd rather just avoid the whole mess to begin with.



Besides,even if you do get out,it's not like the chick is going to be different or anymore special than the ones you didn't get in it with. The ONLY difference will be the amount of time and effort you put into getting her to have sex with you.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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perseverance said:
If you mess up, you mess up. Learn from your mistakes and move on from it. If the woman offers you an olive branch at a later date, then you'll have to decide whether or not to pursue. What I don't recommend men do is to chase after that woman. I don't believe in chasing after women or persuading them to get with me. I know my value as a person, and if they cannot see that value or do not like what they see, then fair play to them, it's no skin off my nose.

This attitude right here is the best attitude to have towards women. I really like this way of thinking, you give yourself a high value and you know it too. If she doesnt than its her loss. I like your thinking perseverance, you put the emphasis on your own life rather than chasing that one girl. Hats off to you man. Youll have that aston marton soon :D
 
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