"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How 'far' will you take it with plates you're spinning?

TheNewStyle123

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Hello gentlemen,

Just getting back into the game after separating recently (married three years, with her for seven) and beginning to spin plates. So far I am having fun and have two solid plates in rotation. I really enjoy spending time (and f!cking) both of these girls because they are down to earth and not selfish. Obviously I'm looking to find others to spin and go on first dates as well.

My question: How 'far' will you take it with plates you are spinning in terms of relationship-esque activities (cuddling, going to public places together i.e. the grocery store to pick up items to cook a dinner together, meeting friends/family, etc.) I realize that is a pretty wide range of activities, but the point I am trying to make is that I am trying to find a way to keeping spinning these plates and having fun, without them thinking things are too serious. Both of these current women know I am still waiting to get divorced and I have made it clear I am not looking to date anyone now. But as well all know, actions speak louder than words. I don't want to do anything that would suggest to these women that I am heading more towards a relationship.

I certainly don't text them everyday, and only see each maybe once a week or once every other week (depending on what's going on).

What do you guys do? Do you perform relationship-esque activities with your plates knowing full well you don't want it to progress?

Thanks boys.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Bigpapa

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There is no silver bullet response . It depends how much you like them in the first place

the more things you do with them, the longer they will stay warm towards you
 

Poonani Maker

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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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SpartanWarrior77

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I mean I just said that I was bringing a stripper home for New Years. For me, it's a unique situation since my parents know that I bring girls over for casual stuff. It depends how good you are at seduction. Practically any rule can be broken if you know how to navigate the consequences. Experiment with doing what u feel. But general rule of thumb is that whatever u do, u should make things clear covertly that you are not interested in anything too serious. If you can abide by that rule and all parties are still on board, do whatever the fvck u want!
 

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a lot depends on what THEY want. You aren't going to have a woman looking for her next husband who will put up with being a plate (for very long) and you won't be able to hold on to one who is looking to have the Next Best Thing. Retention is related to goals in common and as long as your actions and the relationship satisfy what she wants she will keep the status quo. There is no one action that flips the switch to "relationship" but a series of events and actions that define how she interprets your intent. Blackdragon (Caleb Jones) has some good writing about slotting your relationships in categories and he nailed it pretty well.
 

DEEZEDBRAH

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Hello gentlemen,

What do you guys do? Do you perform relationship-esque activities with your plates knowing full well you don't want it to progress?

Thanks boys.
Comply or bye. Blow me or blow me out.

Approach is aloof, nonchalant, indifference. No phaggotry cuddling or acting like it's Disney. I am looking for the door or the window after nutting.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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CAPSLOCK BANDIT

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Just have fun but enforce limits on your time, make it clear that if she wants to go the extra mile for you, it won't be reciprocated, that extra mile is for the next plate.
 

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Heavily depends on the plate. With some plates i was down to do all that fun ****, go out drinking with them, do diff cool ****.. iw ont even mention some of it because it's all **** you'd prob do with a girlfriend..

With other's it would be straight action and cya later.

I went from being the type to hang out with my plates and spend like a whole day with them, to smash and leave to a combo of both.

However, I'll be transparent as possible with girls.. Id on't want to hurt anyones feelings because i've done that enough. I'm still trying to repay all my karmic debt from all the women i've hurt. Being transparent simply means letting them know you're just friends, and letting them know you -are- seeing other girls IF they ask.
 

TheNewStyle123

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Heavily depends on the plate. With some plates i was down to do all that fun ****, go out drinking with them, do diff cool ****.. iw ont even mention some of it because it's all **** you'd prob do with a girlfriend..

With other's it would be straight action and cya later.

I went from being the type to hang out with my plates and spend like a whole day with them, to smash and leave to a combo of both.

However, I'll be transparent as possible with girls.. Id on't want to hurt anyones feelings because i've done that enough. I'm still trying to repay all my karmic debt from all the women i've hurt. Being transparent simply means letting them know you're just friends, and letting them know you -are- seeing other girls IF they ask.
Good advice - thanks man!
 

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My current **** buddies i only see once a week or every other week. We only meet for sex... nothing more and nothing less. I only keep them around to get some relief while I continue to search for the "One".
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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