how do you work this situation?

[quest]

i have a large group of friends. normally when i go out there will be 3 or 4 guys who girls find very attractive, but they are dead****s to talk to. i however am no more then average in looks, but girls do really enjoy talking to me, i make them laugh and am good with neg hits. since normally there won't be 4 or 5 nice looking single girls in a group i am often stuck with an average looking girl. how am i able to beat these better looking guys out?
i already dress better, better hair, talk better etc. but i always feel as though they will get the girl i am trying for.

last night for example, we were playing drinking games, 3 girls, 5 guys. 1 guy/girl had already hooked up. 1 girl was already very very average. so it was fair game on the last girl. i had her laughing and smiling at me, she invited me to dance and i did that. she even commented i was the only fun guy. then the mate who had already hooked up with a chick got the other chick to set up a better looking mate with the girl i was after. she accepted and i was left with nothing.

(i went out and picked up a fat girl later on, but that wasn't what i wanted.)

so any tips on how i will be able to beat out my friends without being dodgy and saying they have girlfriends or something?

 

[California Love]

are you saying that your friends are better looking?

In that case, you definitely have to show them up and make the women see that you are the better man. Women love good looks on a guy, and you have to be pretty successful in the personality department to bypass any better lookers than you.

 

[quest]

yeah my friends are better looking.. theres about 4 which chicks literally go nuts over.

but see, with this particular girl last night, i'm pretty sure she was keen on me. early in the night she told me i had to go to werribie to see her (which is like a 45 minute drive) she asked for my number, asked me to dance etc. i ended up leaving the party to go out before she had kissed my mate so maybe that is where i lost out? but if she was that interested, she could have waited.

what i need to do is get the confidence that i can compete with these better looking friends because if i don't have that confidence, i definently won't be able to compete. but how can i get that confidence? ( i am working on improving my looks but it is a slow and steady process )

 

[California Love]

tryin hitting up on some chicks solo. This way, your target wont be distracted by other men. Play the game by yourself for a while, or maybe with 1 wingman. When there's too many guys around, the situation becomes a lot more competitive.

Gluck!

 

[RY]

Let me tell you that is a crock of s*it your feeding yourself. Who says those other guys are better than you? I like to quote one of the best movies ever "Swingers", "you're like a big f*cking bear man". Remember no matter what you're the money. Who cares about the other guys around you, if you stand out as the funny one and you take care of yourself by dressing nice and looking like you have any confidence then you shouldn't worrry about anything. It is hard to build up that confidence but if you already know that the hottest girl was asking you to dance then it was simply your fault for not hitting on her first. Remember they want it too, and if she is asking to dance with you then its basically in the bag after that. The fact that you think the other guys in your group are better looking, you start the night one step behind already. So remember, you're the man.

 

[quest]

thanks ry, i try to do that. and ur right about starting behind..

i can back myself in. i've picked up 4 girls already this year, for 3 numbers. its just in these situations i find it hard because these guys are better looking.. they may not be more attractive.. but they are better looking.

 

[Sin]

Just make your pickups when you're not in a big group with your friends, if you honestly feel their looks are drawing away the attention - which could well be the case, since looks are the initial attraction factor. Go with just 1 wingman maybe, and see what happens.

 

[quest]

i don't have problems picking up.
as i said, i've picked up 4 girls this year. its more just when i'm in these situations..
at clubs there is alot of better looking people then me. but probably 70% of the time i'll still pick up because i get out there and have a crack..
just when theres a few girls and all my mates (happens quite often) i find it hard, need to work on isolating these girls i think..