how do you turn around a pick up with an attention wh0re from being friend-zoned?

[big weezy]

i've encountered this a number of times.. i'll make an approach in say a coffee place and her immediate perogative is to friend-zone you or just go on and on about her life her friends etc.. (example her talking about other guys who are just friends and 'we're like brother and sister and talk about everything' and you're thinking 'great, did i ask you about any of this?') generally go on and on.. i usually counter with being more flirtatious and suggestive being c+f to establish i'm sexually interested in her.. not as friends.. i also try to neg and kino more than usual and disqualify. however i still find i end up being friend zoned or she'll rebuff my date suggestion when i contact with a non counter offer. is there any ways to improve this? (like how important is it i hit the ground running when i'm going through the motions of picking her up and the phases etc)

i find they try to run the conversation almost immediately and i'm forced to be rude and intterupt her and change the direction of the convo into what i want to talk about, not hers.. which is rude, but it's the only way to stop them talking about friend-zone BS.

 

[PapiChulo]

I ll try to take a stab at it. I think you start off with them the wrong way and it sets the flow for the convo into an undesirable direction. Whats your opener like?

 

[big weezy]

I ll try to take a stab at it. I think you start off with them the wrong way and it sets the flow for the convo into an undesirable direction. Whats your opener like?

well for this one i dont think i did anything wrong.. although i'm not direct in my openers usually in a coffee shop cos usually they give u a 'why the f u talking to me?' kind of vibe.

but in this case she asked me if the wifi was working cos hers wasn't connecting.. i told her to come over and i'd help her connect (maybe that was a bit afc how i said it) then i asked her where she was from.. turns out i can speak some of her language.. so i said a few phrases like 'you're beautiful, let's meet up some time, what's your number?' in her language bear in mind.. she started laughing hysterically and suddenly was shocked how i spoke it.


remember im not asking how to change from being in friend-zone to a potential lover (i know that it cant be done) but im focusing more on the actual pick up where you still have time to turn it around.

also bear in mind these are attention wh0res i'm approaching (not on purpose they're the only HBs around some times sitting by themselves) so that might be a factor as to why it's more difficult?

 

[thevilittletroll]

you have the right gameplan but you are having attraction problems. if you dont build the attraction, being direct, c&f, and kino, comes across as being the overly aggressive, creepy, dirty old man type. once you build the attraction those are all necessary to get laid. if you dont do those things you end up in the friend zone. work on your attraction game. talk about interesting topics, use cold reads, which i love, and roleplays. then you can start testing for ioi's and then go direct like you've been doing.

 

[big weezy]

you have the right gameplan but you are having attraction problems. if you dont build the attraction, being direct, c&f, and kino, comes across as being the overly aggressive, creepy, dirty old man type. once you build the attraction those are all necessary to get laid. if you dont do those things you end up in the friend zone. work on your attraction game. talk about interesting topics, use cold reads, which i love, and roleplays. then you can start testing for ioi's and then go direct like you've been doing.

i do what you said.. (only issue is i dont use a false time constraint and end up sometimes talking TOO long but tbh i dont think even if i left 20 mins sooner it would make a difference cos i'm trying to turn around a failing pick up) do you think it makes a difference they're an attention wh0re?

i.e. they try to run the convo immediately talking about other guys so i have to interrupt to change the direction to what i want to talk about.

 

[big weezy]

any other tips how i can improve my pick up during before it's too late and im left friendzoned?