"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How Do You Define Seduction?

How do you define seduction?

  • You have sex with her

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • You get her highly interested

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • You move the relationship forward (number, kiss, second base, etc).

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • You achieve intimacy

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • You get her to compliment you

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • You get a(nother) date with her

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (please describe)

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Total voters
    5

bigneil

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In Robert Greene's Art of Seduction he refers to "Beware the After Effects" (of seduction). At what point would you say a seduction occurred?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Seduction is about taming the women physically and emotionally. So "achieving intimacy" would seem the obvious choice for when it first occurred.

Everything else can be seen as gamey or unpersonal (even ONS). e.g. Would paying a prossy for sex be consider seduction/persuasion? I think not.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
seduce
[si-doos, -dyoos]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
verb (used with object), seduced, seducing.
1.
to lead astray, as from duty, rectitude, or the like; corrupt.

2.
to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse.
3.
to lead or draw away, as from principles, faith, or allegiance:
He was seduced by the prospect of gain.
4.
to win over; attract; entice:
a supermarket seducing customers with special sales.
I'll go with (1). Project power, make her fall for you, dominate. Bend her mind and actions, through power of will alone. There is so much more to seduction than just sex. I get a huge kick just off flirting and playing games alone, although I try not to lead girls on if I don't want them. I know, I'm a narcisstic b!tch.
 

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Purposely Manufacturing attraction with the opposite sex via conversational tools.
 

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Interesting replies, everyone, thanks.

The reason I chose "Move the relationship forward" is that it seems that with each step in the courtship, we reach a sort of wall. Once a woman takes things past a certain point she knows she is obligated to pick up where she left off, and thus we encounter resistance, and it requires another seduction to overcome it.

He who does not move forward falls behind, so there are points when we must take things to the next level or it dissolves.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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