"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
How do you control the frame ??
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Infern0
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In my opinion it's self control.
You have to get to the point of having a positive, unshakable belief.
You can "reframe" anything into a positive.
If you truly belive in you self and place a high value on you self you belive that success is only a matter of time.
To have that ability to sit back, relax and to KNOW that success Is only a matter of time, your actions and body language reflect that.
Example of poor frame:
"I've fvcked up so many times, girls don't want me, waaaah "
Good frame
"I've gained a lot of valuable experience and made mistakes that taught me a lot, now I'm the man I'm supposed to be and success is inevitable"
Two different outlooks on the same thing.
You have to get to the point of having a positive, unshakable belief.
You can "reframe" anything into a positive.
If you truly belive in you self and place a high value on you self you belive that success is only a matter of time.
To have that ability to sit back, relax and to KNOW that success Is only a matter of time, your actions and body language reflect that.
Example of poor frame:
"I've fvcked up so many times, girls don't want me, waaaah "
Good frame
"I've gained a lot of valuable experience and made mistakes that taught me a lot, now I'm the man I'm supposed to be and success is inevitable"
Two different outlooks on the same thing.
Dgwizdal
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Frame is how you perceive and manufacture interactions on a daily basis which relies on the foundational belief that you have the higher value and people must submit. It is the way in which you would narrate a silent movie. Example: Your sitting in a chair and your potential plate drops a pen in front of you and bends over to pick it up...:
AFC would say "Awww, Here babe let me get that for you..."
DJ Would see this as a great opportunity to establish frame and say "Damn girl, you don't need to bend over like that to try and impress me..." with a sh!t eating grin
When gaming a woman, you frame the conversation to convertly reflect the fact that she is chasing you or has to win you over. That you could take or leave her. And she is a guest in your world. When this is done correctly, she will submit to your frame because you have established dominance over her. You can reinforce your frame in many different power plays within an actual "conversation" via:
- Taking Control, Making decisions, Always having a plan. LEAD.
- Compliance tests IE: Telling her what to do and then she does it
- Investment: Asking her to do things for you
- Responding with fewer words, texts. Showing less emotion especially when she is trying to get a rise out of you
- Caring less and making it known
- Not giving her straight answers that will leave her hanging: Maybe, We'll see, (Not I dunno tho)
- Leaving a hook at the end of the above which puts her in a qualifying position: Ex: We'll see if you play your cards right, Maybe if I feel like putting up with you.
- Reframing / Compliance: If she asks you to do something, make it known that she must do something in return. IE: Will you open this Jar for me? Sure, if you give me a kiss...
IE: How does this dress look on me? Do a little spin so I can check out your ass...
- Amused Mastery: Borderline Arrogantly Laughing/Brushing off her attempts to betasize you or sh!t test you. REMEMBER: Treat her like you would your bratty little sister or nerdy co-worker. My personal favorite responses: "Feisty Tonight? I like it" or "Watch it before i bend you over and paint that little tail red..." "Didn't your mom teach you not to be so nosey?" Dance around questions and statements that may compromise your frame. Stay away from answering directly. Keep your cool. Most of the time, they don't even care what your response is as long as you deflect their attempt to f*ck your sh!t up.
- Diqualyfying: Letting her know you're might be interested but she doesnt quite cut it: IE: Good thing we don't date because I'd drive you crazy. I only date blondes. Oh, you're a hostess? Too bad because I only date waitresses.
- Breaking Rapport: Intentionally sabotaging the conversation when it's going well and then reestablishing it. This causes the emotional fluctuation that it crack for women.
- Ejecting at the right time: When things are going their best, eject and then revisit. The point it to reestablish your time is valuable, desirable, and making her work for more of it. Keep her chasing that high she gets from emotional fluctuation whether it is over the course of interactions one night in the club or a 6 year LTR. ANTICIPATION, SUSPENSE, DREAD, LONGING, UNCERTAINTY, CURIOSITY, AND REASSURANCE ARE ALL YOUR FRIEND.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: Know when to walk away. It is your biggest frame card you have. A woman's greatest attraction and biggest fear is dealing with a man who WILL walk when his integrity or respect is compromised.
All of the above are guidelines of the type of mentality you should have when conversing with women and life in general. Put whatever spin you need to on it, practice, and fake it til you make it. Eventually, it will be ingrained into your consciousness and the words will effortlessly flow from your mouth that reflect your frame and backbone.
AFC would say "Awww, Here babe let me get that for you..."
DJ Would see this as a great opportunity to establish frame and say "Damn girl, you don't need to bend over like that to try and impress me..." with a sh!t eating grin
When gaming a woman, you frame the conversation to convertly reflect the fact that she is chasing you or has to win you over. That you could take or leave her. And she is a guest in your world. When this is done correctly, she will submit to your frame because you have established dominance over her. You can reinforce your frame in many different power plays within an actual "conversation" via:
- Taking Control, Making decisions, Always having a plan. LEAD.
- Compliance tests IE: Telling her what to do and then she does it
- Investment: Asking her to do things for you
- Responding with fewer words, texts. Showing less emotion especially when she is trying to get a rise out of you
- Caring less and making it known
- Not giving her straight answers that will leave her hanging: Maybe, We'll see, (Not I dunno tho)
- Leaving a hook at the end of the above which puts her in a qualifying position: Ex: We'll see if you play your cards right, Maybe if I feel like putting up with you.
- Reframing / Compliance: If she asks you to do something, make it known that she must do something in return. IE: Will you open this Jar for me? Sure, if you give me a kiss...
IE: How does this dress look on me? Do a little spin so I can check out your ass...
- Amused Mastery: Borderline Arrogantly Laughing/Brushing off her attempts to betasize you or sh!t test you. REMEMBER: Treat her like you would your bratty little sister or nerdy co-worker. My personal favorite responses: "Feisty Tonight? I like it" or "Watch it before i bend you over and paint that little tail red..." "Didn't your mom teach you not to be so nosey?" Dance around questions and statements that may compromise your frame. Stay away from answering directly. Keep your cool. Most of the time, they don't even care what your response is as long as you deflect their attempt to f*ck your sh!t up.
- Diqualyfying: Letting her know you're might be interested but she doesnt quite cut it: IE: Good thing we don't date because I'd drive you crazy. I only date blondes. Oh, you're a hostess? Too bad because I only date waitresses.
- Breaking Rapport: Intentionally sabotaging the conversation when it's going well and then reestablishing it. This causes the emotional fluctuation that it crack for women.
- Ejecting at the right time: When things are going their best, eject and then revisit. The point it to reestablish your time is valuable, desirable, and making her work for more of it. Keep her chasing that high she gets from emotional fluctuation whether it is over the course of interactions one night in the club or a 6 year LTR. ANTICIPATION, SUSPENSE, DREAD, LONGING, UNCERTAINTY, CURIOSITY, AND REASSURANCE ARE ALL YOUR FRIEND.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: Know when to walk away. It is your biggest frame card you have. A woman's greatest attraction and biggest fear is dealing with a man who WILL walk when his integrity or respect is compromised.
All of the above are guidelines of the type of mentality you should have when conversing with women and life in general. Put whatever spin you need to on it, practice, and fake it til you make it. Eventually, it will be ingrained into your consciousness and the words will effortlessly flow from your mouth that reflect your frame and backbone.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
By following your own rules no matter what and not allowing yourself to be manipulated.
Don't have any rules? Well that's your first problem. And most men don't have any "rules" as far as what they expect from women. Usually the only rule is "give me wood and don't be a total c*nt". This isn't enough. These rock bottom standards define the beta loser... which is why he jumps through hoops for scraps like a dumb animal. He worships the female like a peasant. Then he is perplexed when she has no sexual attraction towards him. :crackup:
Shameful.
EXPECT MORE and GIVE LESS. All men need to start making this a RULE they follow 24/7.
Don't have any rules? Well that's your first problem. And most men don't have any "rules" as far as what they expect from women. Usually the only rule is "give me wood and don't be a total c*nt". This isn't enough. These rock bottom standards define the beta loser... which is why he jumps through hoops for scraps like a dumb animal. He worships the female like a peasant. Then he is perplexed when she has no sexual attraction towards him. :crackup:
Shameful.
EXPECT MORE and GIVE LESS. All men need to start making this a RULE they follow 24/7.
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Dgwizdal's post is generally correct. I wouldnt use some of these responses but there are always numerous ways to say the same thing.
The main thing is, spot her machinations and manipulations ASAP and call her out or just subtly refuse to play along. I like to be blunt when this occures and I'm always right. Messing with me aint no joke to me, so I dont turn it to humour. Ive always worked with alot of people, so I have the ability to read people's inner troubles in like 1-2 convos so that helps me. Even looks give hints:
"SLightly overweight and turns her head after pretty young boys" - Fresh outta LTR which she ruined
"Tats and looking like she havent eaten in 5 days" - traumatic childhood etc...
Now women, same as you, dont want to deal with stupid people. Like when a girl is pretty but when she opens her mouth and her lack of intelligence becomes apparent and you get turned off.
With them its abit different because men hide their lack of intelligence better. So they engage in manipulation, and you, at the very least, have to spot it, if not be immune to it, if you like let her play with you a little but make sure she knows youre aware shes a fake. And females can easily fake all emotions including love which is pretty complex, they have a talent there. The worst possible manipulation is stringing men along and the more dogs are on the leash, the better, it stems from hidden insecurities I think, and lets face it, the modern woman is insecure as **** on the inside, couse photoshop, magasines, models etc...
If you cant spot this you will get rekt again and again. Which is why walking away\cutting her completely from your life and thoughts is very important when necessary.
The main thing is, spot her machinations and manipulations ASAP and call her out or just subtly refuse to play along. I like to be blunt when this occures and I'm always right. Messing with me aint no joke to me, so I dont turn it to humour. Ive always worked with alot of people, so I have the ability to read people's inner troubles in like 1-2 convos so that helps me. Even looks give hints:
"SLightly overweight and turns her head after pretty young boys" - Fresh outta LTR which she ruined
"Tats and looking like she havent eaten in 5 days" - traumatic childhood etc...
Now women, same as you, dont want to deal with stupid people. Like when a girl is pretty but when she opens her mouth and her lack of intelligence becomes apparent and you get turned off.
With them its abit different because men hide their lack of intelligence better. So they engage in manipulation, and you, at the very least, have to spot it, if not be immune to it, if you like let her play with you a little but make sure she knows youre aware shes a fake. And females can easily fake all emotions including love which is pretty complex, they have a talent there. The worst possible manipulation is stringing men along and the more dogs are on the leash, the better, it stems from hidden insecurities I think, and lets face it, the modern woman is insecure as **** on the inside, couse photoshop, magasines, models etc...
If you cant spot this you will get rekt again and again. Which is why walking away\cutting her completely from your life and thoughts is very important when necessary.
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Are you tipping bartenders less to get entitled females free drinks too? Getting more out of your beta bucks while pretending you aren't putting their pooseys on a pedestal?Poon King said:
Women are your God. You love to hate them because they have you talking about them constantly. Embarrassing.
dagreatgrizz23
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Infern0 said:
However, the difference between the foolish man and the wise man, is that the foolish man thinks he has learned everything. There is always more to learn especially about females. They are weird.