"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How do you benefit from your good body?

Peter89

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I've been lifting weights seriously for a little more than a year, and my fatpercent is very low.

Do you guys have any ideas on how to benefit from a good body? (of course thinking about how to get girls with it..). And yes, I know that a good body won't do it all by itself. But never mind that, I can handle the other parts for now.. :p

In what ways would you try to benefit from it? Would you talk much about training in public, or would you not talk about it at all? Would you ask girls more often to go swimming and stuff like that?

Just trying to get ideas.. Let's be creative! ;)
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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arlanda

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Hm, for me it's all about not being intimidated by girls. I am still very skinny and some (well, most :rolleyes: ) girls are bigger than me - in the end I feel intimidated and can't focus on the game.

And no, I wouldn't talk in public about me working out. It would eventually come of as bragging.
 

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Are you asking how to show off?
 

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Eh, I don't usually answer these threads but for what it's worth ..

Unless you meet a girl in the gym (so she's obviously into working out) don't talk about training or your workouts, because frankly she probably wouldn't be interested. It should be obvious that you work out (like for example, when you have a bigger chest than she does) so that speaks for itself; just don't give the impression that training is your life (which it shouldn't be) otherwise she'll suspect that you're more interested in yourself than in her.

By no means an absolute but something to consider.

(Most girls hate a show off, too. Real men don't show off, because they don't have to.)
 

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i just make jokes like... "check the gunshow baby" ill flex a bi and kiss it. then tell her to kiss it. yes i have done this and yes she did kiss it. and yes we were making out so it was fun.

i dont brag to people or anything because im not big, but i am cut and you can tell i lift.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The only "monster" part of my body is my quads so I usually have shorts and pull them up, put my leg behind my neck and kiss my thigh and ask her to kiss it.. and when she does I say... "Hey baby.. why don't you try kissing just a little bit higher" :up:

I've noticed that most women get ****ing turned on if you like pick them up and then carry them of to bed and tossing them on it... one of the exes told me she got really horny when I tossed her around during lovemaking... well I don't mean picking her up in one hand and throwing her over the shoulder.. I am talking about like taking charge.. =)

I usually wear half tight stuff.. not overly tight like a flexgay as we call them in sweden... but tight enough to show the muscle... and don't talk about your trainign unless you finally hit that squat PR you always wanted.
 

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Ive pretty much benefitted from training because I can carry a ****load of groceries from the store back to my house.
 

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Originally posted by Lifeforce
The only "monster" part of my body is my quads so I usually have shorts and pull them up, put my leg behind my neck and kiss my thigh and ask her to kiss it.. and when she does I say... "Hey baby.. why don't you try kissing just a little bit higher" :up:

I've noticed that most women get ****ing turned on if you like pick them up and then carry them of to bed and tossing them on it... one of the exes told me she got really horny when I tossed her around during lovemaking... well I don't mean picking her up in one hand and throwing her over the shoulder.. I am talking about like taking charge.. =)

I usually wear half tight stuff.. not overly tight like a flexgay as we call them in sweden... but tight enough to show the muscle... and don't talk about your trainign unless you finally hit that squat PR you always wanted.
Try this.


Show them a nice, mature ost. Make them sniff it. Capture the scent.

Always works.
 

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Hm.. just to clear that one up; I wasn't talking about talking about training *with* the girls, but talking about it with the guys you train with *while* girls are nearby.. :p But never mind, I figure it's stupid.. hehe.

EDIT: I usually wear tight clothes. Not so tight that they are gay-like, but tight enough to make it obvious I'm working out..
 

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Originally posted by Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Ive pretty much benefitted from training because I can carry a ****load of groceries from the store back to my house.
Lol, right on, man.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Originally posted by Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Ive pretty much benefitted from training because I can carry a ****load of groceries from the store back to my house.
That's the same thing my friends realize when we are out to buy stuff together. :) Seems like I end up carrying the stuff a little too often.
 

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Originally posted by Peter89
Hm.. just to clear that one up; I wasn't talking about talking about training *with* the girls, but talking about it with the guys you train with *while* girls are nearby..
I believe girls don't want guys who work out. Girls want guys who were born with the perfect body :D
So don't talk about it, but be a strong person in all aspects.
 

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Originally posted by C00L
i just make jokes like... "check the gunshow baby" ill flex a bi and kiss it. then tell her to kiss it. yes i have done this and yes she did kiss it. and yes we were making out so it was fun.

i dont brag to people or anything because im not big, but i am cut and you can tell i lift.
LOL, that is exactly what I do and it works! And same as you, I am not too big either. Probably about 160lbs, or 75kgs.
 

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Originally posted by CLOONEY
LOL, that is exactly what I do and it works! And same as you, I am not too big either. Probably about 160lbs, or 75kgs.
I got hungry just looking at your weight, someone get me a steak!
 

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Originally posted by CLOONEY
LOL, that is exactly what I do and it works! And same as you, I am not too big either. Probably about 160lbs, or 75kgs.
Yeah Im 75kgs too, girls go crazy about the muscles of my underarms, they squeeze it like I do boobys and it gives me a reason to touch some ass without any trouble. I actually did this next to my girlfriend and she just laughed.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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when i get rejected by a slim hot girl then people say i got rejected no more because she is out of my league but because she is imitated by my bigger tits -->true story!
 

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And yes, I know that a good body won't do it all by itself.
You'd be surprised. I work out at my former university, and it's a total chick gym. 2 squat cages, 1 decline bench, 1 incline bench, 1 military press bench, 3 flat benches. The rest is all machines and elipticals. It sounds like a good place to pick up, but it's actually a great place to work out at too, since none of the guys do squats or deadlifts, so it's easy to get a cage. Anyway I'm getting sidetracked.

I also swim there. At that pool, I never made *1* approach, yet I've met and went out with many girls from there, including one of the gym administrators. If they want your body, they will do all the work (especially if there is competition around them). Also, there's the word of mouth. If one girl has seen you shirtless, then all her gym girlfriends have seen you shirtless.

My advice. Don't make a big deal out of it. If you're swimming and girls come up to you, or you go up to them, don't bring attention to your body. They know it's there, they obviously like it, play it cool. Talk about her, get to know her. Be confident and normal, don't be a ****y guy trying hard to impress, because those are dime-a-dozen. What I'm saying is, don't qualify yourself to HER, make her qualify herself to YOU.

And for the love of god, if you're doing heavy compound lifts, wear some layers to keep your body warm and increase blood circulation. Don't be one of those clowns who gets injured because he did squats / deadlifts in a wifebeater and shorts. Save that for when you do your dumbbell kickbacks haha (WA will appreciate this one)
 

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Originally posted by MindOverMatter
And for the love of god, if you're doing heavy compound lifts, wear some layers to keep your body warm and increase blood circulation.
ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh so that's why everyone at my gym kills the sweat pants and shirts. I thought it would be kinda retarted if they wanted to keep their BF% low by sweating from lifts. But then i thought it was some kinda style saying yah im so huge i don't even have to show it.

its all coming together
anyways fvck all the other beniftes to working out when their is only one that matters. Getting as much testostorone in your system as possible. The gyals can smell it.
 
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