"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How do I get rid of the competetion?

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Ok so there was this girl I meet the other week and she invited me to her study group. Well I know that the art of attracting a girl has some to do with flirting. Well she seemed interested but there is this other guy. I am a attractive male who dresses very well and good cologne etc.(THanks to sites like this) but this guy is clueless he has pimples all over his neck he was eating this nasty sandwitch which smelt horrible and he just wouldn't stop flirting with her and she seemed to like it. What would she see in him?

So I know theyaren't together so that has to mean she doesn't like him right? I don't know do girls only flirt with guys they like or is it more about attention. Se has my number and I told her to call me but should I call because I hear she's really a busy lady. I don't know what to do or If I am being outdone. If I talk to her should I ask her what she has with this guy Or can I tell by seeing it for what it is. Any advice would work thanks.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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If you don't get rid of the competition then the competition will get rid of you, we live in a dog eat dog society, unfortunate but true.
 

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Frighten him, if he is clueless as you say, it shouldn't be that difficult, look him in the eye and yell "Piss off cvnt", if he is stronger than you it is best to forget about that girl and look elsewhere unless you can weild a baseball bat or something like that, are you a wuss or a psycho, thats the question that you have to ask yourself here.
 

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Either kill every male she knows or likely will know, hell, kill every guy on the planet for good measure.

Or just concentrate on being a great guy, which is all you really can do, and let the cards fall where they will...

Don't ask about this guy, don't mention this guy, just ask her out ASAP
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Monkey said:
Either kill every male she knows or likely will know, hell, kill every guy on the planet for good measure.

Or just concentrate on being a great guy, which is all you really can do, and let the cards fall where they will...

Don't ask about this guy, don't mention this guy, just ask her out ASAP
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This is what I was thinking as well. The only competition is the competition you acknowledge.

Also, there's way more to it than if you dress well and wear cologne. You just said the guy with pimples (not his fault, right?) was flirting with her and she liked it.
 

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You are all wimps, don't let this guy mess with your mind, deal with him, if you are a man you can do this without causing him any physical harm, just frighten him, don't let the girl know about this though.
It is better not to be obsessed by the one girl though and just move on if the girl doesn't like you and sarge some other hot babe.
Maybe you should simplify it by asking the girl out the next time you see her.
 

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Thanks guys. Yes I may have been a little brash about this guy but all he was doing is flirting with her like the annoying I can't keep my hands off you giving you my clothing it couldn't be more obvious I like you type flirting. All they would do is flirt but she seemed interested in what I had to say at points when he wasn't all over her. She didn't even really carry a conversation with him. Though I heard him ask her about hanging out or something and she told him like in a week she would be free but I could be wrong. I did ask her out to lunch by the way and she said she wasn't sure of her schedule and seemed like she wanted to answer and seemed undecided so I said she could call if she comes up with something. should I wait for her to call with details or should I call her? If she doesn't call shoudl I even waste my time??
 

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Amazin_Aces777 said:
Thanks guys. Yes I may have been a little brash about this guy but all he was doing is flirting with her like the annoying I can't keep my hands off you giving you my clothing it couldn't be more obvious I like you type flirting. All they would do is flirt but she seemed interested in what I had to say at points when he wasn't all over her. She didn't even really carry a conversation with him. Though I heard him ask her about hanging out or something and she told him like in a week she would be free but I could be wrong. I did ask her out to lunch by the way and she said she wasn't sure of her schedule should I wait for her to call with details or should I call her?

Two guys gaming a women at the same time, looks like the other guy won, at least he is not on a site wondering about YOU!

Anyway if this is the same chick who told you to follow her around to her meeting and you did on some of the silly advice you recieved then you only have yourself to blame.

Hey why not turn it up a notch and profess your undying love for her and buy her a bunch of flowers also?!

Hey at least it may work uh?!

Lets think about the other guy situation:

She prefers another guy, so what you going to do about it?!

You going to get piss*ed annoyed or beat him up as some as posted in here, or are you going to think:

Hey she is not that into me, hey i can handle that, i think i should now forget about this chick and get a women who is more into me from the offset.

Or you can carry on and keep validating her, your almost boarderline begging, keep this up and maybe she will throw you a bone, wont that be nice!!!!

there is also a thing called AMOG, but me personally i dont like AMOG, i see it as boarderline begging also.
Its like two guys tossing a monkey ball to each other in the suplication way to get the pus**, i cant be ars** with that shi* not when there are far more women around.

Anyway you worry about this guy, i will worry about meeting the next women. Sounds about right?!

Oh let me know how it works out, but i can predict this future sorry bro!
 

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Call her ONCE and if she still can't make a FIRM plan to meet up with you then forget her.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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jonwon said:
Two guys gaming a women at the same time, looks like the other guy won, at least he is not on a site wondering about YOU!

Anyway if this is the same chick who told you to follow her around to her meeting and you did on some of the silly advice you recieved then you only have yourself to blame.

Hey why not turn it up a notch and profess your undying love for her and buy her a bunch of flowers also?!

Hey at least it may work uh?!

Lets think about the other guy situation:

She prefers another guy, so what you going to do about it?!

You going to get piss*ed annoyed or beat him up as some as posted in here, or are you going to think:

Hey she is not that into me, hey i can handle that, i think i should now forget about this chick and get a women who is more into me from the offset.

Or you can carry on and keep validating her, your almost boarderline begging, keep this up and maybe she will throw you a bone, wont that be nice!!!!

there is also a thing called AMOG, but me personally i dont like AMOG, i see it as boarderline begging also.
Its like two guys tossing a monkey ball to each other in the suplication way to get the pus**, i cant be ars** with that shi* not when there are far more women around.

Anyway you worry about this guy, i will worry about meeting the next women. Sounds about right?!

Oh let me know how it works out, but i can predict this future sorry bro!
He may be on this site, how do you know that he isn't.:confused:
 

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No he probably isn't on this site because he has game of a high schooler. At least I graduated to college by visiting sites like these and through experience therefor at least I am learning!

And JonWon if you say I followed silly advice that is kinda of weird since you gave me advice so areyou calling this site and yourself silly? I don't think so..
 

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Amazin_Aces777 said:
No he probably isn't on this site because he has game of a high schooler. At least I graduated to college by visiting sites like these and through experience therefor at least I am learning!

And JonWon if you say I followed silly advice that is kinda of weird since you gave me advice so areyou calling this site and yourself silly? I don't think so..
you took my post out of context.

Be careful who you get advice from there are alot of AFC's here who think they know the game!

Thats all.

Anyway what i was trying to tell you, since you have not really taken the crux of the post is:

Go and chat another girl up and create more 'options' that way when you approach and talk to girls like this you will not be so hung up about doing the 'right thing'.

There is solid great advice and some very good people that offer it, but amongst them on this site there is about 50% pure shi*e you have to set a filter system for it.

Now i applaud you for putting the effort in and i dont want to take that away, but you must understand you cant stop at the first hurdle or even dwell on what if! there are far more opportunites around also the way your doing things is almost borderline putting the women on a pedestal and thinking for her!

How to do this to get rid of the competition, look bro there is no mother fuc*ing competition! not when you have the right frame, you simply 'next' and move on down the line, this seems like far too much drama.

And my advice as well as some others in your original post was to ring her once see where it goes, NOT follow her around at her whim and beck and call, you should have stated you dont have time to be chasing as you are far too busy with other things.

Or as some other poster said, i think it was last man standing, you should have closed the deal instead of dragging it out and wondering what if and getting to this stage, playing coc* fights with some other dude.

And regardless of game and what the other guy had, he seems to have taken it in is stride, flirted with her and busted on her, whislt you was too concerend about him winning the 'prize' in that when she and him would have been getting along i would have cut out and moved on.

granted you could have amogged the dude but this i beleive generally works when the girl is showing a decent level of interest, this girl seems to be using you and him as a pet project on ego management!

now there are girls that would crawl over broken glass coated in dog shi* good looking or not to get with a certain guy, not all women are the same, now would you prefer to try to win over a girl who is showing about 30% interest or would you rather spend your energies on a women who shows you 80% interest? now you seem to think you are doing things wrong, based on the interaction on one women.

The game is simple and your advancing more then ok, the fear of rejection is a huge hurdle to overcome now lets not take that fear and cling onto the first piece of as* that offers it back to you, you take the experiance and learn from it and continue onwards.

Now trying to win this chick seems counterproductive when there could be another girl who is just as hot a few yards away who would be more receptive, whilst your wasting your time on an ego madonna those girls are passing you by.

I am busting your ball*s for a reason!
 

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Yes I did close the deal by asking her out. Maybe not when we first met but that was cus she asked me before I could so I went along with it and this other guy was all up on her. And I think I can see where you are comming from now Jonwon.


You are right on a lot of things though I will give you that since like you said there is no flipping competition if you have the right frame of mind and like me going out to meet other girls since I don't even know this chick I should play the field before running for homebase got it. I was wondering though what do you think about busy women?
I knew this one girl that adored me and was goregous and was just waiting for me to ask her out but i never did until one night and she said she was too busy and I got pissed and said if she didn't have time for me then we shouldn't hang out. We never talked after that so I really don't know how to handle the busy women topic any suggestions??
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I know what you mean Amazin' There's always a few ugly guys out there who do have confidence... and more times than not those are the ones you have to worry about. I mean, they got nothing to lose
 

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you cant get rid of the competition....... you just gotta be smoother
 
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