"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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How do I enjoy things if I'm sort of ****?

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How do you guys find enjoyment/fulfillment from things you like but aren't necessarily good at?

I find that unless I'm good at something or at least see continuing improvement, I don't enjoy my hobbies or things I've tried.

People always suggest do things for fun or because you like them or find them interesting, then I do and I find I'm just average as **** at those things and don't seem to get much better. That becomes frustrating/disappointing.

It's like the desire to want to be good at certain things in a way prevents me from being any good at them. But also, maybe I completely lack any sort of talent and anything I try I'll only ever be somewhere around average or worse.

Not sure how to get over these feelings/thoughts and just enjoy.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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How do you guys find enjoyment/fulfillment from things you like but aren't necessarily good at?

I find that unless I'm good at something or at least see continuing improvement, I don't enjoy my hobbies or things I've tried.

People always suggest do things for fun or because you like them or find them interesting, then I do and I find I'm just average as **** at those things and don't seem to get much better. That becomes frustrating/disappointing.

It's like the desire to want to be good at certain things in a way prevents me from being any good at them. But also, maybe I completely lack any sort of talent and anything I try I'll only ever be somewhere around average or worse.

Not sure how to get over these feelings/thoughts and just enjoy.
Isn’t it because you want other people to recognize how good you are at doing it?
 

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Need resilience in your life, your job as a man is to offer resistance to all things, your own need to be comfortable is at the top of that list.
 

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Keep in mind that many things get harder as you get better, and you're getting better but don't know it. For instance,
You take up mountain biking and its hard. Years later you're a pro and its just as hard. The difference is your just going faster. Skiing, you start out on the easy stuff and you eventually go big. The difference is you are way better but taking on big challenges and you think you suck, but in reality you don.t. Have fun.
 

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I heard once, you need to enjoy the process of getting good and then you know you found something you‘re really passionate about.

I found this pretty accurate for me.

The things I enjoy learning are the things that stay with me
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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You need to chunk your activities down to micro-goals.
Men usually experience what you are describing when they are looking too much at the big picture and the end result, instead of enjoying a process of small victories.

When you were a baby just learning how to walk, you didn’t ruminate and ponder why you were having trouble. No, you fell down hundreds if not thousands of times, and simply got up each time and tried again. I’m willing to bet you’re walking like a champ these days. ;)

@L16 give me an example of one of the pursuits that frustrate you. I think we can turn that around and make it enjoyable, and that will extend out to other activities.
 

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Haha I m a project manager or business analyst by trade. Through a bunch of unlikely circumstances I m programming in my current gig on top of the BA work. Never coded so it was sheer pain. Application will be delivered in the next week. You have to learn how to talk to yourself. Inner talk and having a variety of mindsets you can pick up like hats help a lot.

And you ve done the right thing by posting. Gameifying and making it social also help
 

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Of course having two senior posters with over a century of life experience between them respond and not turning up to your own thread is a bit of a motivational fail.
 

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How do you guys find enjoyment/fulfillment from things you like but aren't necessarily good at?

I find that unless I'm good at something or at least see continuing improvement, I don't enjoy my hobbies or things I've tried.

People always suggest do things for fun or because you like them or find them interesting, then I do and I find I'm just average as **** at those things and don't seem to get much better. That becomes frustrating/disappointing.

It's like the desire to want to be good at certain things in a way prevents me from being any good at them. But also, maybe I completely lack any sort of talent and anything I try I'll only ever be somewhere around average or worse.

Not sure how to get over these feelings/thoughts and just enjoy.
This sounds like an instant gratification problem. You will only get as good as you give. If you practice a lot or all the time then you will get better at it. And the further you go into mastery of something, the longer the plateaus will be between sudden leaps in capability, but you will improve.

Don't fall for the trap of thinking that you need talent, that is just a cope for giving up. Success is 99% determination and 1% talent.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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You have to be clear about what you want. Usually there are two types of “hobbies”:

1. I’m doing this for purely for fun, and I don’t care how good or bad I am at it. If I get better at it, that’s cool. If I get burned out and quit eventually (and move to another hobby) because it’s too hard or no longer fun, that’s ok too.

2. I’m seriously committed to mastering this skill. I’ll try to enjoy the process along the way, but I accept that it’s going to be hard work and not necessarily fun.


A common mistake is starting off as #1 and then kicking yourself because you didn’t improve much like you would have for #2.

Pick one path and own it. Or get seriously committed and upgrade from #1 to #2.
 
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