"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How did I mess up with this chick?

RockaRolla25

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I met this chick a few weeks ago and she was awesome. She was everything I wanted a woman to be. Since I was a little kid, I had an image of exactly how I wanted a woman to act and she fit my fantasy 100%.

So we hung out a few times for about a month, made out, hugged, but nothing more than that really for some reason.

Here's where it got weird yesterday:

Me: Hey!
Her: Hey you! What's up?
Me: Nothin, how about u?
Her: Watching tv.
Me: Sounds boring. Wanna chill later?
Her: idk, maybe
Me: Maybe? lol
*bout 20 mins goes by*
Her: Yeah, idk. This is hard for me to say, but I think I just wanna be friends with you.
Me: But we made out yesterday wtf
Her: Yeah I know. It's weird. Idk why.
Me: We have fun hanging out though. You said I was an awesome guy.
Her: You are. You're like the perfect guy.
Me: So you want to be "just friends" with a perfect guy?
Her: Yeah, I know it's weird. You deserve someone better than me.
Me: Better than you? What? But I like YOU!
Her: I know. But, you need to find soemone better than me.
Me: Why are you saying this?
Her: idk, I just don't feel it.
Me: But we made out and you said you loved it and were smiling and you texted ME all those nights after we made out.
Her: I know, but I really wanna be friends with you. I don't want to ruin the friendship.
Me: Cmon lets just go out. If I am the "perfect guy," you can't let that slip away. That makes zero sense.
Her: You'll find someone else. Let's just stay friends.


WTF happened?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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wasted-nick

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Who knows for certain without more info... I don't think you should keep trying to convincer her to like you though.

Here's what I would do... Totally cut her off - complete NC. There's more to this story than she is telling you. Perhaps she's not over another dude or met someone else...

She deserves zero of your time, attention, or respect. Buh-bye...
 

pinhas

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You happened!

If in person during your dates you where half the "pansy" you were during that text conversation then it explains a lot.

You were practically begging her to go out with you and you sounded like a little insecure boy.

Look at what you said to her; you acted like her puppy and were ready to declare your love to her and shower her with affection at the slightest nod from her.

Be a man dude, never say those things to a girl! Never beg her for her time or show like she's all you want and think of.

Forget about her, go work on your inner man, learn and understand "the game" and "the laws of attraction between sexes", then try again.

At least your at the right place to begin...

RockaRolla25 said:
Me: But we made out yesterday wtf

Me: We have fun hanging out though. You said I was an awesome guy.

Me: So you want to be "just friends" with a perfect guy?

Me: Better than you? What? But I like YOU!

Me: But we made out and you said you loved it and were smiling and you texted ME all those nights after we made out.

Me: Cmon lets just go out. If I am the "perfect guy," you can't let that slip away. That makes zero sense.
 

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Man, oh man, where to start?

Is this some kind of joke? This seems too obvious. Anyway...

I'm just going to go with my overall impression. Oneitis. Needy. Clingy. Putting her on a pedestal. Whiny. Bunch of other stuff.

Right from the start I could tell. She was everything you ever wanted in a woman? You must be pretty young. You can't act as if a girl is your reason for living. If you're always available, always complimenting her, kicking it on the phone with her for hours, hugging and kissing but nothing more, you're not any kind of a challenge to her.

I don't know what happened in those missing twenty minutes, but the fact that there even was a twenty minutes later could be part of the problem. Was this on the phone? Or worse, texting?

You spend too much time with a woman early on, fawning all over her, she's going to think you got nothing better to do. How long could you handle a woman who treated you like that? You made it too easy. You were a chump. Not saying that to be mean, but you need to understand this. I've been there too. It can be fixed.

Pay attention to what people say on here. Some advice is pure crap, some is gold. In time you'll know which is which. You're going to have to try things you probably never tried before, and you may have to drift out of your comfort zone. I highly recommend doing that. If something comes too easy, it's probably the wrong thing to do.

Move on to the next girl. Forget this one. With the next one, act like you have a life beyond her. When you're around her, act like you have other things you need to do, so you can't spend all day with her. Hang up the phone before you tell her your whole life story. Let her wonder what else is going on with you. Relax. Withhold information about yourself. You are the man. You need to flip it and make her want you.

Work on it. This will take some time, and you'll screw up. Just keep at it. Good luck.
 

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I'd just tell her, "Sure we can be friends. Just give me a call when we aren't friends any longer". P.S....Galactus gave you some good advice.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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RockaRolla25 said:
I met this chick a few weeks ago and she was awesome. She was everything I wanted a woman to be. Since I was a little kid, I had an image of exactly how I wanted a woman to act and she fit my fantasy 100%.

Mistake #1


So we hung out a few times for about a month, made out, hugged, but nothing more than that really for some reason.

Here's where it got weird yesterday:

Me: Hey!
Her: Hey you! What's up?
Me: Nothin, how about u?
Her: Watching tv.
Me: Sounds boring. Wanna chill later?
Her: idk, maybe
Me: Maybe? lol
*bout 20 mins goes by*
Her: Yeah, idk. This is hard for me to say, but I think I just wanna be friends with you.
Me: But we made out yesterday wtf ---- Mistake #2
Her: Yeah I know. It's weird. Idk why.
Me: We have fun hanging out though. You said I was an awesome guy. Mistake #3

Her: You are. You're like the perfect guy.
Me: So you want to be "just friends" with a perfect guy? Mistake #4
Her: Yeah, I know it's weird. You deserve someone better than me.
Me: Better than you? What? But I like YOU! Mistake #5
Her: I know. But, you need to find soemone better than me.
Me: Why are you saying this? Mistake #6
Her: idk, I just don't feel it. ---- she's telling you the truth right here. She's not into you because you supplicate to her and put her above everything else, she wants a MAN, someone to lead. In this case she's the man, your the girl.

Me: But we made out and you said you loved it and were smiling and you texted ME all those nights after we made out. Mistake #7 -- she most likely met someone else she likes better.

Her: I know, but I really wanna be friends with you. I don't want to ruin the friendship. Translation: I'm not attracted to your girl like behavior and I don't want to feel bad, so I'll just say something lame like I don't want to "ruin our friendship."


Me: Cmon lets just go out. If I am the "perfect guy," you can't let that slip away. That makes zero sense. Mistake #8 - and all your doing is validating her decision with this terrible girl like begging behavior. Don't EVER do that again!


Her: You'll find someone else. Let's just stay friends.


WTF happened?








DJ Bible will help you immensely get to reading.








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Oh boy. Well, your first paragraph says it all. Your mindset is WAY off. I mean way off. There is no perfect girl out there, or the perfect girl of your dreams. Set the frame, where YOU are the prize, not her. She's the one that needs to be chasing and asking you "what the hell happened." This mindset/frame is a huge part of your success.

Read the bible, the first thing you need to work on is inner game(confidence, metaframe) and then go from there.
 

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maqnetik said:
not to trivialize your feelings but WHO CARES? obviously she WASNT perfect for you or otherwise she would have wanted you to be happy. think about it.
we care....
his responses weere cringewothy
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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i know i'm new but... from your "maybe? lol" this is a car crash. learn and move on.
 

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I had a similar situation happen to me with a girl two years younger than me. I also thought she was perfect for me. When i hugged her, my arms wrapped around her as if her body had been crafted especially for my embrace. When i kissed her neck, her body would twitch with joy. When I put my nose against her neck, i could hear her hearbeat start to pace.
We kissed at her highschool, we cuddled in the backseat of my car, she took my blanket and slept with it at night, she would play along whenever i talked about sex, and she was everything i thought i wanted. IDK what happened tho, but suddenly i stopped feeling the initial passion. We still played and fooled around but something was missing. My point is that you will get over her, and once you do you will realize that she has faults and is not YOUR perfect girl.
PS: I am now going out with the girl's best friend hahaha.
 

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RockaRolla25 said:
I met this chick a few weeks ago and she was awesome. She was everything I wanted a woman to be. Since I was a little kid, I had an image of exactly how I wanted a woman to act and she fit my fantasy 100%.
I didnt even need to read the rest. Theres your problem.

Im gonna go back and read the rest now and edit my response

JESUS CHRIST IS THIS FOR REAL OR DID YOU PLAN TO WRITE THE PERFECT GUIDE TO GETTING FRIENDZONED?

1. you got onenitis.
2. you gave way to much attention.
3. You did escalate.
4. You were way too nice ("your like the perfect guy" girls want to have fun being bad) .
5. you let her decision to stick you in the friend zone affect you ("we just made out last night wtf") girls also make out with their girlfriends when they are drunk.
6. you tried to reason with her (you cant reason attraction).


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loonik said:
I had a similar situation happen to me with a girl two years younger than me. I also thought she was perfect for me. When i hugged her, my arms wrapped around her as if her body had been crafted especially for my embrace. When i kissed her neck, her body would twitch with joy. When I put my nose against her neck, i could hear her hearbeat start to pace.
We kissed at her highschool, we cuddled in the backseat of my car, she took my blanket and slept with it at night, she would play along whenever i talked about sex, and she was everything i thought i wanted. IDK what happened tho, but suddenly i stopped feeling the initial passion. We still played and fooled around but something was missing. My point is that you will get over her, and once you do you will realize that she has faults and is not YOUR perfect girl.
PS: I am now going out with the girl's best friend hahaha.
is her best friend a dude because wow
 
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