"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How did I do?

Das

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I am kind of new to this kind of thing.

I travel around quite a bit for my job. For Memorial Day week I was put up in a hotel. A girl from the same store I was working at asked if she could crash at my room, so I said yes, and from there it turned into a 4-day date, broken up with work. Everything was flowing. I was just being myself, totally relaxed (when I wasn't at work) eased into KINO and all of that good stuff, and most importantly we were having a great time, even though none of our plans quite panned out. We went out to go to a bar, and we ended up hunting for shells on the beach until 2 am, We got dressed up for dinner and it turned into McDonalds and a six pack in the park, never getting where we had planned to go, but we both had fun

Monday morning I dropped her off at work on mondayand she tells me to stop by anytime I can and we will hang out, and I have to go about 3 hours north to the next stop on the job.

The next day or two I'm feeling great, but the suicide shifts they have me doing are starting to take their toll an me and I'm starting to look back and I'm wondering how I did.

Yeah I kept her happy, but I didnt really follow the sosuave plan.
She got a massage from me, but I never made out with her.
I played with het tits, but I didn't hold her hand when we were walking.
I slept in the same bed as her, but we didn't have sex.

I keep thinking about her saying that she "wished i was more aggressive". But that was somewhere between the beach and the tits thing, so I guess I kind of addressed the issue but it's stuck in my mind.

So uh, how did I do? Good? Bad? To far scattered to tell? On the right track? In the LJBF zone? I'm off on Wednesday so I kind of want to hang with her, but I've been working some really psycho shifts and haven't had a chance to call her. Think she might still want to do it? Should I give up? I don't really have any expierience with dating or 4-day misadventures with women so comments would be welcome.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Desdinova

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I keep thinking about her saying that she "wished i was more aggressive".
W0manese translation: She wants you to throw her ass on the bed, tie the b1tch up, and fvck her for three days straight.

Other than you not banging the hell out of her yet, you did fine. This is what tells you how you're doing:

eased into KINO and all of that good stuff, and most importantly we were having a great time
The two elements of Kino and Fun are dynamite. If both of these elements exist in the time you and her spend together, there's a damn good chance she's yours for whatever you want to do. Don't leave the absence of sex for too long or she'll go get it from somebody else. Now is as good as any time to strike.
 

abcd_z

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"how did I do?"
Well, that really depends on what you were going for.
If your question is "Did I display AFC qualities", then don't worry, you did fine.

But the next thing you need to ask yourself is "What do I want out of this?"

Are you angling for a girlfriend? Long-distance relationship? F*ck-buddy?

Judging from the sounds of your post, you were happy with the way things worked out, but you also would have liked to have sex with her. Does that sound right?

You're at a crossroads now. If you do want sex with her, then you need to take it to the next level. Escalate physically, and soon. Otherwise, your opportunity will have passed and she'll see you as just another male girlfriend.

Good luck.
 

Das

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I am off work today, so i called her to see if she wanted to hang out today. She tells me she can't because he boyfriend is over. She never mentioned a boyfriend.

i go "ok some other time then." and hang up. I feel used, sortof.

I got so wrapped up in having a good time I forgot to be sexual. I guess I'm just not "agressive" enough.

Thanks for the replies, though. They made me feel better yesterday. And here I was thinking that I'd go out today, have some fun and escalate and I'd be on the right track. Jesus, I was only out of town for a week.
This really sucks. I can't even think straight.
 

ConantheLibertarian

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She blew you off, most likely doesn't even have a boyfriend. don't get too caught up in her now. If she has her your contact info, let her contact you next. But you learned from your mistakes. The next time you're in bed with a woman, it better take the jaws of life to get you off of her :D.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Crank_It_Up

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sometimes it's better to come out of the closet than to pretend to like women
 
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