"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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How attractive would this woman have to be for you to consider marriage with her?

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/missouri-high-school-teacher-ended-200000267.html
Her choices started in 1990, when she first enrolled in college, already married with children. After four years at Maryville University, she had accrued her first $26,278 in student loan debt (the equivalent of about $42,000 in 2015, Carey notes).

After three semesters of law school, a career path change to teaching — which required more graduate school from 1999 to 2004 — additional loans to cover child care for her four children, and steep interest rates, she owed $194,603 by April 2005, the Times reports.

One final educational endeavor post-2005 — a Ph.D. program at Texas A&M — tacked on an another $7,748 in loans.

It wasn't until this September that Kelley realized the extent of her debt, thanks to a call from her loan servicer. After 25 years of not making any payments, her total was a jaw-dropping $410,000
My opinion: She would have to look like a top-quality playmate for most men (and only those who could afford it) to consider marriage.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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NEVER happen, even if she could suck a VW through a garden hose.... Kids who should be grown, but still 43 or 45? If you want a gold digger, you can find a newer model
 
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It's not like that money is ever going to get repaid, like most student loan debt in the current bubble waiting to pop. There are people in their 60's who have never stopped being full-time students. As long as you never stop going to school, you never have to pay the money back, and you can often siphon off money to live on.
 

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First off, I would not get married no matter who it is, because you can't guarantee she won't change 5, 10, 20, even 50 years down the line. You have no control over that.

That said, of course there is a baseline attractiveness level for a woman that you would marry. Hell, hopefully there is for a woman you would just bang. But you should never choose a wife based purely on how pretty she is. That's a recipe for disaster. Besides, her looks will fade.
 

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First off, I would not get married no matter who it is, because you can't guarantee she won't change 5, 10, 20, even 50 years down the line. You have no control over that.

That said, of course there is a baseline attractiveness level for a woman that you would marry. Hell, hopefully there is for a woman you would just bang. But you should never choose a wife based purely on how pretty she is. That's a recipe for disaster. Besides, her looks will fade.
Zekko NAILS it. You cannot marry based upon looks alone, it's completely irrational and stupid. You have to look at what
they do for you and what you get out of it. You may "love" them, but it may be based upon fleeting "infatuation".
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Marriage quality falls more on her tenacity to stay on track than her beauty. Attractiveness comes and goes. Marriage, with children, requires more mental, moral, and physical endurance. Obviously there's a baseline on looks, but IMO it should be lower than your expected baseline while sarging.
 

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To quote Leo Tolstoy:

“Never, never marry, my friend. Here’s my advice to you: don’t marry until you can tell yourself that you’ve done all you could, and until you’ve stopped loving the woman you’ve chosen, until you see her clearly, otherwise you’ll be cruelly and irremediably mistaken. Marry when you’re old and good for nothing…Otherwise all that’s good and lofty in you will be lost.”
 
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