"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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pdx1138

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I just met/went out with this girl recently.

Her face and hairstyle is "perfect dream girl" hot to me.
We click on all the intellectual levels, everything about her seems perfect.

But

She could lose 25lbs...in fact if she did lose 25lbs she would be a perfect 10 in my world.

I dated a heavy once before briefly because her face was cute...not smoking hot like this girl. But after having s3x with her I couldn't stand the site of her naked body...that and her pvssy smelled.

This "hot" girl is into me though and I think I'm into her, but I'm on the fence.

Anyone else been in this scenario? What happened?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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25 is way too high, 6-10...maybe.

have you banged her yet?
 

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no not yet.

the first time I saw her in person I had the "oh damn" going on because of her size.

I might just go for it and see what happens. If it doesn't work I'll nicely end it.

I have 2 other plates going on as well.
 

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Dear PDX,
It doesn't get better.....Later on if you form a relationship she will encourage you to adopt the same attitude to eating and exercise that got her the way she is...as to her personal hygiene...a real problem that...been there myself,never summoned up the nerve to say anything...I walked away and so should you.
 

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Do you exercise and eat healthy yourself?

I do (plus I'm a lifting coach - just a hobby part-time job), and it's trivial to work in it the conversations (e.g "I can't do X night, I have training"). I find that many girls I've dated tend to pick up my habits and start to eat healthier and exercise more. Certainly every single one of them has openly said so (a few "rebelled" and got fat...). I believe subconsciously they know that they can't keep a guy who's in good shape and healthy if they aren't making that kind of effort themselves. Never dated a fat chick though, so I can't comment on whether they would lose the weight because of this, but the girls I've dated (who have made the changes) have gone from average to much more in shape. I never requested nor hinted at it, but they'd tell me about how they're training real hard at the gym now, and they've stopped eating crap. Probably to impress me.

The smelly poon probably is a result of her crappy diet of processed foods that are poisonous to the body (which also makes her fat).
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Just forget about fvcking her and put all your focus into getting a bl0wjob from her. It's the best you can get out of this situation :)
 

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You do realize that 30 pounds above your ideal weight makes you obese, right?

Just saying,..
 

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yeah I do exercise and eat healthy. I once weighed 194lbs (ideal is 155) then I worked my tail off in 2009 and in 4 months got down to 145.

I mentioned going to the gym to the cute heavy girl I first dated and her response was "ewww" so i knew she was a lost cause, but she gave the best head I ever had.

This new girl does go for walks in the parks quite often. I'm going to see if she's receptive to change. I've actually trained and done nutrition counseling for two friends that had dramatic weight loss/muscle gain and it changed their lives.

Yeah Rollo, I was telling my friend she was morbid.
 

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I say no, seems like this is the perfect storm for a big regret down the road.
 

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The best thing you can do is find out if she's successfully lost weight in the past and is now lighter than she previously was. If that's the case, she's probably not a lost cause.

If she has never lost weight, the chances are good that she never will and become the incredible expanding woman.

Fat women are fat because they're lazy. Lazy women don't cook, clean, nor anything else that requires effort.

After dating enough women who are 'slightly' overweight, I've realized that I needed to avoid them altogether because they're ALL lazy and they ALL gain more weight over time.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm going to see her a few more times then decide.

Her personality and exotic face are keeping me interested until I learn more.
 

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well that didn't last...

Went out 3 times, she's good company but I just can't get over her size.

I thought she was 25lb over...more like 50.

When I look around at all the trim hotties when we're out I couldn't help but ask myself "why am i doing this?" I feel like a heel for leading her on like that.

I'll never go through this again.
 

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Lesson learned. Ive been there. If it bugs you in the beginning you wont get over it. Best to just cut your losses but sometimes you need to take it a little further so you know for sure.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Rollo Tomassi said:
You do realize that 30 pounds above your ideal weight makes you obese, right?

Just saying,..
Yeah so he's got a 5 pound window to pump her, then dump her,
 

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pdx1138 said:
well that didn't last...

Went out 3 times, she's good company but I just can't get over her size.

I thought she was 25lb over...more like 50.

When I look around at all the trim hotties when we're out I couldn't help but ask myself "why am i doing this?" I feel like a heel for leading her on like that.

I'll never go through this again.
50! fvclk what happened to 25. Dump with no Pump.
 

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I know from experience it is a lot easier to get them to give you 1000's of $ (which is HARD, believe me!) than it is to get them to shed 10 lousy lbs, which they can do in 2 weeks if they will just TRY. One of the reasons that I favor young Asians is that they are almost uniformly slender. I dislike tall women, much less heavy ones. Sooner or later, you are going to have to physically carry her, for one reason or another, so don't pick one that is going to rupture you. :)
 

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Zunder said:
50! fvclk what happened to 25. Dump with no Pump.
wearing different clothes revealed it. I knew I couldn't have s3x with her after that.

Such a bummer really. She would have guys chasing her left and right if only she was 50lbs less.

I obviously couldn't take her snowboarding or to the nude beach in the summer time. It was almost like she was handicapped in a way from my perspective.

I feel kinda bad for her....I get the intuition she's had many first dates where the dude didn't contact her again after first one....I almost did that myself.

She has lots of friends and massive social life so she'll be fine.

Now to focus on an athletic, younger chicka I had a great date with last week...
 

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The last girl I dated had a very average face and was overweight. I went to her office and looked at the women she was working with. ALL OF THEM were hotter than her.

I seriously couldn't justify dating an extremely average looking overweight woman when there's women out there who are much, much better looking.

Good job on ditching her.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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