NoBiscuits
Senior Don Juan
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Yeah...Red pill theory was wrong in the end. The wall never came. They just looked for a supply of validation instead.
I also don't like slamming men for being weak. You don't start out strong, you need to be civilized and cultivated into it by the previous generation. And it needs real elite backing. You can't just have a subset of "the people" trying to do it on their own against the will of the upper classes and every institution.
Women used to be barred from owning a credit card, divorcing without approval of the church, and would get dunked in a pond by their local peers for infidelity. Men's groups used to be common and would get special employment and leadership opportunities. Early Americans were allowed to sue their children for disobedience. Today all of these things are banned.
So what backing do men today have to be strong men who have the power of making the final decision? A couple algorithm-suppressed bloggers and youtubers saying words to them and calling them pathetic? Words don't provide much, and hold no power on their own.
Let's say I was the head of, idk, a steel manufacturing labor union where most employees are men. I need to be guaranteed by the state that if I make a decision like "only men can be on the executive board" then that decision is actually respected, no questions asked. But today there are dozens of ways which my authority would get shut out and this is what the state guarantees today.
So for those who like railing on younger men for being weak, what exactly were they supposed to do? Where do they get to practice leadership and gain confidence in their authority? When are their decisions actually respected? Where are they taught that they're expected to be in charge? What institutions will back them up when they face controversy? What laws give them advantages? Where can men come together as an exclusive group to mutually benefit each other? Where can they go to set and enforce standards on their own?
What's the biggest men's group you know of? Does it have actual influence over the rest of society? And are men actually in charge of it, or is there at least one woman on executive staff to police it?
The husband in this story did everything right. He doesn't sound like a weak man, quite the opposite, but everything fell apart regardless. Countless stories like this one.
I also don't like slamming men for being weak. You don't start out strong, you need to be civilized and cultivated into it by the previous generation. And it needs real elite backing. You can't just have a subset of "the people" trying to do it on their own against the will of the upper classes and every institution.
Women used to be barred from owning a credit card, divorcing without approval of the church, and would get dunked in a pond by their local peers for infidelity. Men's groups used to be common and would get special employment and leadership opportunities. Early Americans were allowed to sue their children for disobedience. Today all of these things are banned.
So what backing do men today have to be strong men who have the power of making the final decision? A couple algorithm-suppressed bloggers and youtubers saying words to them and calling them pathetic? Words don't provide much, and hold no power on their own.
Let's say I was the head of, idk, a steel manufacturing labor union where most employees are men. I need to be guaranteed by the state that if I make a decision like "only men can be on the executive board" then that decision is actually respected, no questions asked. But today there are dozens of ways which my authority would get shut out and this is what the state guarantees today.
So for those who like railing on younger men for being weak, what exactly were they supposed to do? Where do they get to practice leadership and gain confidence in their authority? When are their decisions actually respected? Where are they taught that they're expected to be in charge? What institutions will back them up when they face controversy? What laws give them advantages? Where can men come together as an exclusive group to mutually benefit each other? Where can they go to set and enforce standards on their own?
What's the biggest men's group you know of? Does it have actual influence over the rest of society? And are men actually in charge of it, or is there at least one woman on executive staff to police it?
The husband in this story did everything right. He doesn't sound like a weak man, quite the opposite, but everything fell apart regardless. Countless stories like this one.