"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hey fella's

anyone who's read my previous posts would know what im sorta on about

in 2 or 3 days,then girl i like,she is staying with me alone at my place overnight,cause she'll be drinking and needs a place to crash,this is my chance to make the 1st move?.i need any tips possible

i am just about clueless,she wont be expecting me to make the 1st move or try to kiss etc,and because of her ex from a long time back,im not sure how'd she react,she hasnt hooked up with a guy since they had a painfull break up 6 or 7 months back,they have no hope of getting back together and she knows that,but im pretty keen for her.

sounds stupid to experienced guys i know,but i know how to kiss etc,just picking the time/other factors,cause i dont wanna make a move and she rejects me and dosent wanna hang out anymore if u get my drift.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I have been following your other threads....This is the girl you were "Hanging Out" with.

I said to you last time to find a time to make a move. THE TIME HAS COME. This is a golden opertunity. It has to be done...This is your window of oppertunity.

You wont get a better shot than something like this....She hasnt been with anyone for 6-7 months.....She is ready....

First thing you must do is mindset...You HAVE to do SOMETHING on that night....Promise yourself. Dont let your head play games with you and pussie you out of it on the night....Mindset is important. You have to go KNOWING you are making your move tonight....everything you do is building to that moment....Everything you do is planning for that.

What is the occassion? Party? Going into town? What reason?

Did she have to crash at yours or did she choose to? :)


So the above is the mindset you need to be in. Everything you do that night is building on WHEN you make your move.


What i would suggest is casual flirting and kino threwout the night. (Like i said, A buildup) If you want some examples of how to create kino....i would need to know venue and occation. This will prepare her. Most times when i make a move on a girl she already knows im going to and she is gagging for me to do it by the time i do....Makes it so much easier.

Enviroment....Ok make sure you are alone when you make your move. Pref when you get back to yours (providing its not too late) but remember you control when you go back....its your house! Isolation is important in my eyes as it releves pressure from yourself.


Last of all....That last paragraph you wrote concerns me greatly....

cause i dont wanna make a move and she rejects me and dosent wanna hang out anymore if u get my drift.
I can tell you now....if she is a true friend then she will NEVER not want to hang around you just because you made a move on her. I have never seen that happen in all my exp. I have made moves on friends and been turned down before. (Not often) but they have never ever jepadised our friendship.

That thought in the quotes....If your still thinking that....Scroll up and REREAD the bit about MINDSET as you didnt take it in....Mindset is key.

Get back to me with the answers i needed and i will do my best to help you further.....

Sarge On!
 

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your a deadset legend..

yep same chick.

well,the reason is,whenever she goes to a party and drinks she cant go home after that,as she gets in trouble.she's under 20

its not a DEFINITE that she will be staying,as you know plans change,although i wanna prepare as if it is gonna happen so im ready,your right if she is a true friend making a move shouldnt change anything.

well what will probaly happen,is i'll meet up with her and her friends some stage during the afternoon-night,and we'll hang out go to a party then after that fairly late,head back to my place and crash there,last time we did we both slept together on the same couch,that night we had heaps of hugs,i gave her a backrub,foot massage and hand massage lol.she was pretty receptive to it.

if we dont hang out then head back to my place,it will be because i have something else on,and would just meet her late when she comes to my place.

when's the best time to make the move? when we are just sitting on the couch watching tv? or game it so i give her another back rub? and work something from there,also anything i should say before i go for the kiss? totally clueless to get in that position.

we normally do have a bit of kino,and flirting,no problems there for me,its just making the move.
 

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ok big problem now,

the girl i like is hanging out with a close friend of hers,and me and this girl never really got along,and when i said are you still staying at my place tommorow night she said,i will cept is it ok if i bring (girl b) because she will probaly be with me,and i couldnt say no,or show any concerns with it cause she'd know something is up so i just said 'yeah its cool'

then i got the ****s not long after,as this was on msn. and i said i gotta go and she said "kk oh wait.u shud hang out with (my ex) tommorow afternoon,-pretty much basics are,wait with my ex,for 2 hours at a shopping centre for the girl i like to finish work, while my ex blantantly flirts with me (I have no attraction for her at all and want her friend lol),

im stuffed now

i like girl a. and girl b.is sleeping over my house probaly with her,so now i cant make a move,plus girl a. has no idea i like her and is setting me up with my ex cause my ex still likes me. and i told girl a. i have no feelings for my ex what to do?
 

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hate to say it, b/c it comes up so often, but I smell LJBF zone here somewhere. initiate evasive manuevers immediately.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Agreed, you've been LJBF'd. Girls are thinking about and good at "setting things up" so that it's easier for the guy to make the move if they want him to. If you've already hung out with this girl a few times, she has already made her judgement about you. She doesn't want to have sex with you. NEXT!
 

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i dunno what LJBF'D means,but. im gonna try make a move tonight if her friend isnt at my house,if she's there oh well i wont,but if not its worth a shot,cant lust over her forever waiting to make a move,sooner or later someone else will and i'll end up confessing my feelings that ive had while she's already with him,so gotta make the best of tonight,any tips? its in a few hours,she was giving me the big tests last night on msn, heres some examples...

i made some joke about everyone wanting me

then

me- who dosent want me
her-me

i ignored it,but then a little after we were talking about james blunt's song your beautiful,and she quoted some of the lyrics so i did the last verse but changed it,

me-its time to face the truth....you'll never be with me
her-=[

wtf do i make of that

then,i said bye cause i had to go,then she goes

me-ok then see ya later
her-arhhhh (guy who likes her but she dosent like him) has signed in
me-see you

****ing with my head is what she's doing,but could mean 2 things,she is testing to see if i like her and i could have a chance. or is ****ing with my head cause she thinks i like her.

well one things for sure,never gonna find out unless i make a move
 
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