"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Keep in mind, I had never even been out with this girl at this point. No relationship or history whatsoever.


Why would she want to fvck Brad Pitt? Because he is handsome? A lot of guys are handsome. I'm handsome.

Now ask yourself is Brad Pitt would have ever done that, and if there is a woman alive who would think that he would do that for them in this situation. Then ask yourself, "why is that?"


When you realize the honest answers to these questions, you will clearly understand why the girl didn't like me any more.


I am not saying attraction is always so fickle; if a girl is interested then you CAN make mistakes, even early on, and not undo her attraction. There are mistakes that directly relate to your value/challenge, and mistakes that do not. The latter are the ONLY ones you can get away with.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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First, Welcome to our place. You can learn an endless amount about the sh!t you'll learn about yourself, and, most importantly, what behaviors and mentalities you'll NOT have in your life.

Second, This place is not who you are, or who you aspire to be. Do not take this sh!t personally.

Ever.

Some random numbnut calls you a troll? So fvcking what. You better believe that same cat who's calling you a troll is beating his c0ck to death with both hands. His only outlet for his angst is through these internets. Fvck them.

Third, Never reward a woman without earned reason. She doesn't get flowers for going out with you. She gets flowers for swallowing/anal/three-somes with her hot girlfriends.

Look at it from her perspective: "Oh sh!t he brought me flowers and I haven't given him anything? Not even a handjob. Hmmm? I bet he expects sex for these roses. He's just like EVERY-OTHER-GUY (The Nice Guy with expectations). I guess I'll let him think he'll get to smell my fingers when he buys me dinner and a movie."

You see what just happened? You're buying her time. Stop that sh!t right now. You want her to work for your attention. You want to reward each other with great fvcking. She wants to work for it.

Karma's Law #2 - Fvck a woman's mind first, her body will follow.
Good luck Brother.

Lastly, turn off the reputation feature. It'll do nothing but make you addicted to an endless stream of green dots and you'll lose focus on your entire purpose here.
 

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49au said:
Keep in mind, I had never even been out with this girl at this point. No relationship or history whatsoever.


Why would she want to fvck Brad Pitt? Because he is handsome? A lot of guys are handsome. I'm handsome.

Now ask yourself is Brad Pitt would have ever done that, and if there is a woman alive who would think that he would do that for them in this situation. Then ask yourself, "why is that?"


When you realize the honest answers to these questions, you will clearly understand why the girl didn't like me any more.


I am not saying attraction is always so fickle; if a girl is interested then you CAN make mistakes, even early on, and not undo her attraction. There are mistakes that directly relate to your value/challenge, and mistakes that do not. The latter are the ONLY ones you can get away with.

um, girls like to **** handsome men I thought? if Brad Pitt got them a roll i'm sure they'd find it sweet, just cos the dude is handsome anyway. By the way I beleive handsome men don't need game, as i'm ugly and that is the only reason i turned to game at all.

what do you mean by these mistakes relating to value/challenge?? im sure taking flowers to her or a roll won't hurt her feelings...? :s



Thank you very much KARMASUTRA! You make a lot of sense! :) **** the trolls yeah, retards. I see what yu and 49 are trying to tell me now. :) Thanks so much for the advice guys!
 

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OP, did you come here to ask for advice, or did you come here to ask for what you want to hear?

Seriously. You're either extremely naive (more so than any other newcomer I've seen thus far), or a troll.

If you're extremely naive, don't take it personally, but we'll start out by telling you that almost everything you've got going for you (not much) is wrong.

If you're a troll... well, then, f*ck that.

If you are genuinely someone new who wants to learn, read the DJ Bible to get a clue. You'll find a lot of answers to the most frequently asked questions (such as yours) there.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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loveshogun said:
- read the DJ Bible to get a clue. You'll find a lot of answers to the most frequently asked questions (such as yours) there.
I've learned, time and time over, that these guys who incessantly spout: "read the DJBible, read the Book of Puke, blah blah blah..., are the same guys who have less experience with life and women, than the guy here asking questions.
 

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KarmaSutra said:
the same guys who have less experience with life and women, than the guy here asking questions.
Yup. That's me. You've found me out. Can we hug it out, now?
 

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loveshogun said:
Yup. That's me. You've found me out. Can we hug it out, now?
What ebook did you get that from? Sounds like a rehearsed line. NATURAL GAME FYI
 

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What ebook did you get that from? Sounds like a rehearsed line. NATURAL GAME FYI
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Trollfest 2011!
 

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Trollfest 2011!
It's not trolling dude you gotta realize it's dumb to try to amog people online, there are no girls here mate...
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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DeeperGame said:
It's not trolling dude you gotta realize it's dumb to try to amog people online, there are no girls here mate...
If you're asking for advice, good or bad advice you can decide for yourself. There's no need to argue your point when you're the one looking for advice.

Karma, we all have to start somewhere, if this guy is new then he should do more research instead of asking for advice on every problem he has and then argues with the advice he was given. Most of these stuff is about self improvement/discovery, not about asking advice on every girl problem.
 

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Like other guy has said here don't bring her flowers or gift of anykind. Think about like this if you just met some dude for business meeting would you bring him a cigar or rolex watch. Some bring that same mentalitly to women if you just met her why are you buying her stuff. You make people earn the gift you give them not just give them because ooo your soo pretty. the flowers you give would think of desperation and since you haven't had a date in so long you already going have desperation in your back of your mind. So what you need to do go on this date have a interesting conversation and get know her better and build up sexual tension. That after you bang her few times you can give her flowers and tell her how special she is to you or whatever.
 

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Bottomline said:
She told me she realy likes flowers though... hm? Maybe just a thank you card isnted for coming on the date?

what has she done to earn this?

going on a date with you? every girl SHOULD want to date you!

one thing you have to learn is flowers are a BIG NO! this is a first date. just keep it light and fun.
 

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Htienvu said:
Karma, we all have to start somewhere, if this guy is new then he should do more research instead of asking for advice on every problem he has and then argues with the advice he was given. Most of these stuff is about self improvement/discovery, not about asking advice on every girl problem.
I wasn't aware all of life's issues could be solved by reading a couple of goddamned e-books?

Seen as how I've never read one word of your DJ Bible or the book of Puke; I think I've done a damned good job of freeing myself of my self-absorbed matrix, without relying on someone else's words to tell me what to think.

You know how we men internalize our issues? By fvcking up. Then we ask our brethren for their perspectives and their advice on these issues (even girl problems), then we utilize those to help us move forward.
 

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KarmaSutra said:
I wasn't aware all of life's issues could be solved by reading a couple of goddamned e-books?

Seen as how I've never read one word of your DJ Bible or the book of Puke; I think I've done a damned good job of freeing myself of my self-absorbed matrix, without relying on someone else's words to tell me what to think.

You know how we men internalize our issues? By fvcking up. Then we ask our brethren for their perspectives and their advice on these issues (even girl problems), then we utilize those to help us move forward.

Amen. guys take ebooks and other advice as gospel. they need to figure it out on their own and learn from there own mistakes..
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Bottomline said:
She told me she realy likes flowers though... hm? Maybe just a thank you card isnted for coming on the date?
nothing wrong with a flower....preferably hide it and surprise her
 

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KarmaSutra said:
I wasn't aware all of life's issues could be solved by reading a couple of goddamned e-books?

Seen as how I've never read one word of your DJ Bible or the book of Puke; I think I've done a damned good job of freeing myself of my self-absorbed matrix, without relying on someone else's words to tell me what to think.

You know how we men internalize our issues? By fvcking up. Then we ask our brethren for their perspectives and their advice on these issues (even girl problems), then we utilize those to help us move forward.
The guy who has a bit of knowledge crash and burn less and he's more likely to learn from it. The guy who run into it blindly crash and burn everytime and rarely learn or learn very slowly.

Iam not saying you should worship whichever book, but it's a good start to gain some knowledge. The dj bible was written by guys on this forum, i am sure their words helped you out at some point.
 

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49au said:
Bottomline,

When I was 21, I liked this beautiful girl from school. We had talked a few times and she told a mutual friend that she was really attracted to me.

She told me that she really loved the rolls from Cinnabon. So one night I went to Cinnabon, got a roll, and took it to her at work. She was so happy.

The next day she called our mutual friend and told her that "she really liked having me as a friend." Oops.
maybe she never even liked you that much anyway. when a girl really digs you she wont say your just a friend when you bring her a roll. i gave a chic a diet pepsi once then i f'd her brains out. dont buy no flowers on your date.
 

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Two pages with this guy?

He's a troll. Let's move on to people who really need advice.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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