her sexual performance

[btownbuck2012]

Quick question here...

What can be gleaned by paying attention to how "skilled" a woman is during sex? I think it's fairly obvious when you're with a woman who knows what she's doing...but does this always indicate she's been with a-lot of men? My line of thinking on this is that it doesn't necessarily because she could have just gotten really good with a man or two from previous relationships.

On the other side of the coin, what about women who are a bit of a dead fish. You know what I'm referring to. Their bl0wjobs are as if they are recalling a how to guide from cosmo, they kind of just lay there and stare at you and expect you to do everything. They also provide very little if any LMR, at least from what I've noticed. etc. BUT they exhibit wh0rish type behaviors otherwise, i.e. sex on the first date, extreme flakiness after sex, etc. Basically emotional detachment that you would expect from a more experienced girl after a very brief time spent together.

All of my posts from basically the past year have been me trying to learn and figure out ways to spot heartbreakers BEFORE I get in too deep with them and this is something I wonder about often.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Bad sex equals entitlement times interest level.

Good sex equals ability x interest level.

I I've been with some very very experienced women that were not that great. My least experienced girlfriend was the best by far.

I've had bad sex and good sex with the same woman many times. The difference was my interest level and more importantly her interest level. Even boring vanilla sex is good when you are culminating a successful seduction. All the tricks in the world won't cut it if your interest is just not there.

Supposedly there are some really entitled cold fish out there but I have yet to experience that truly.

I think you may be right about entitlement with these women who come across as inexperienced. I guess I'm more referring to technique, things that can't be faked and are similar even when IL isn't as high as it used to be, things like how she rides while she's on top, her oral skills, even the kind of stuff she'll shout out during sex I noticed is different with women who seem to have more experienced technique than these other girls. It's subtle stuff like inexperienced women will curse funny or shout out cliche things you hear in movies during sex and afterwards during pillow talk whereas experienced women are more natural in what they say.

But again I'm probably WAY overthinking this. I think the conclusion I'm coming to is that there's no real solid evidence here to make a firm decision on whether a girl is a wh0re or not by how she is in bed. It's just a piece of the overall puzzle that you've gotta put together to figure out who she really is I suppose.

 

[btownbuck2012]

The one thing I've noticed with cluster B women is that they make sex all about you, it has almost nothing to do with their needs and desires. This can be very addicting for us selfish Millennials but it's not real, actually great sex, and it actually will set your performance back quite a bit when you have to adapt to more normal women.

Bro I continue to be in awe of the "ah ha!" moments I have from reading your stuff on cluster B women.

 

[btownbuck2012]

I think we dated similar types. Others will disagree with what I say about their sexuality especially those who dated primarily borderline types. They may be right or they may not be able to be honest about what was really going on in that situation. It seems a little bit incredulous to believe that someone who puts on an act and mirrors you in every other area of life ceases to do so in the bedroom. One of them told me the secret to her sexual ability was empathy... Of course she doesn't have empathy, but what she means is mirroring.

I honestly have no idea what two of the three cluster B's I dated actually like in bed. They said and did so many contradictory things. They will claim to be a Dom and then claim to be a sub the next week. One would actually come from oral and then we literally never had oral sex again after that...
Why? Compare that to a normal woman who will use you to get off by any means necessary haha.

The third one claim to like all this wild stuff but then I told her no and she went along with whatever I wanted and seemed to like it.

A bizarre explanation could be again their, i assume we're talking about the covert narc/bipolar ii gal?, need not to have to rely on anybody for anything. In her mind asking you to do that again means she needs you for something, i.e. she's vulnerable to you in some way. In fact I can't think of a single moment, even outside of the bedroom, mine said anything to me closely resembling "I like it when you do this/that, can you do it again?"

Who knows man. Off to work now, enough SS for me for the morning

 

[machoMax]

Probably she was with a lot of men, but on the other side maybe she is just "talented", who knows

 

[SmooveMooves]

But again I'm probably WAY overthinking this. I think the conclusion I'm coming to is that there's no real solid evidence here to make a firm decision on whether a girl is a wh0re or not by how she is in bed.

I'm glad you're aware of this. This is something that doesn't need analysis. This would be like deciding she is a whòre because she wore a crop top.

 

[The Duke]

I've never had a "dead fish". How do you stand the smell? ;-) A buddy of mine has dated one for several years. She is a very selfish person. If she has been drinking a lot she has been known to fall asleep during sechs.

 

[bigneil]

Her Perfect Sexual Performance:

0) She makes a move (i.e., kisses you without your asking).
1) She asks for sex.
2) She is so attracted to you she is biting her lip when you get undressed.
3) She turns you on 100%.
4) She receives you.
5) She achieves orgasm.
6) She satisfies you 100%.
7) She produces Oxytocin.
8) She doesn't have pair bonding issues.
9) She cuddles after.
10) She initiates after.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Her Perfect Sexual Performance:

0) She makes a move (i.e., kisses you without your asking).
1) She asks for sex.
2) She is so attracted to you she is biting her lip when you get undressed.
3) She turns you on 100%.
4) She receives you.
5) She achieves orgasm.
6) She satisfies you 100%.
7) She produces Oxytocin.
8) She doesn't have pair bonding issues.
9) She cuddles after.
10) She initiates after.

The lip bite is huge.

 

[bigneil]

The lip bite is huge.

It was on our third date last October, as we were about to have sex for the third time that day, that I carried by (still) girlfriend to the bedroom I threw her in bed and she bit her lip and that was the exact instant I fell in love with her. I'll never forget that moment. Normally when I had fallen in love it hadn't happened at a particular moment like that.

 

[devilkingx2]

What can be gleaned by paying attention to how "skilled" a woman is during sex? I think it's fairly obvious when you're with a woman who knows what she's doing...but does this always indicate she's been with a-lot of men? My line of thinking on this is that it doesn't necessarily because she could have just gotten really good with a man or two from previous relationships.

my advice is not to think about it, the last thing you need in life is to accidentally convince yourself in life that the only way to avoid slvts is to subject yourself to bad sex, or that the only way to get good sex is to date a slvt

 

[Plums]

Quick question here...

What can be gleaned by paying attention to how "skilled" a woman is during sex? I think it's fairly obvious when you're with a woman who knows what she's doing...but does this always indicate she's been with a-lot of men? My line of thinking on this is that it doesn't necessarily because she could have just gotten really good with a man or two from previous relationships.

On the other side of the coin, what about women who are a bit of a dead fish. You know what I'm referring to. Their bl0wjobs are as if they are recalling a how to guide from cosmo, they kind of just lay there and stare at you and expect you to do everything. They also provide very little if any LMR, at least from what I've noticed. etc. BUT they exhibit wh0rish type behaviors otherwise, i.e. sex on the first date, extreme flakiness after sex, etc. Basically emotional detachment that you would expect from a more experienced girl after a very brief time spent together.

All of my posts from basically the past year have been me trying to learn and figure out ways to spot heartbreakers BEFORE I get in too deep with them and this is something I wonder about often.

If she is skillful it could be that she has had good long term relationships. There are a couple of good signs here because it proves she isn't flaky. It proves that she cares enough about her partner to learn what he likes to please him and is not boring and selfish. Also she has a good understanding of how important a good sexual relationship is between people who love each other. This is mature. Emotionally immature women will often have sex even though they will seldom enjoy it because they believe that is the normal way to behave.
If you want to have less risk of a broken heart then don't go with emotionally immature women. It pays to take time to get to know a woman before you invest too much emotion in to her. If you rush in to sex this can open up doors of emotion that are not ready to be opened and what you find there you may not like.
It is more sexually rewarding to abstain. So kiss and caress but stop before it gets to heated. Your desire will feed your emotional commitment. As you learn more about each other it will either feed your desire or start to dampen it. When people care about each other, they seldom want to hurt the other person so will be honest about their feelings, When you are fairly sure you both are falling in love with each other, you will be really glad you waited for a while before sex. People give more of themselves sexually when they feel safe. So go easy, don't run before you can walk.