"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Her and her gf's are annoying together

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You guys ever think you know a girl...you hang out and have a good thing going. Then you get to hang out with her and her girlfriends and she turns into another person. They are talkin trash, acting all cool, cursing...you name it.

I know we all act kinda diff with our good friends. Your real self comes out and you can be loose and comfortable. Thing is I didn't really like her like this. Not saying that she is this little sweet wholesome thing, but some of the stuff I was hearing that night...geez

Her and her friends had no problem bringing up past boyfriends and how they got laid. Actually it sounded like the guys weren't even boyfriends but rather just booty calls and casual sex (one nighters). The stories were told like it was in a mens lockeroom. F Bombs flying everywhere.

I'm not a prude by any means..just saying if the tables were reversed I know I would tone down my stories a little in front of mixed company. It was almost as if they turned it up a notch instead. You know how someone is trying to act cool by being all tough and talking $#!^. Well thats what this was. Kinda got annoying. Don't get me wrong I like when women let down their guard ... however this was like hanging with a bunch of guys. Over the top ****y/funny - Borderline jerks. Is that was us guys act like sometimes when we're out together?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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haha, sounds good to me dude :)

I HATE it when I hang around a group of girls sometimes. Talking about shopping, clothes, their purses, shoes, other girls (this one is a BIG one), etc.

Its death.
 

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This wasn't about purses and shoes...although thats rough too..this was like guy talk coming out of womens mouths. I don't know maybe thats not my type. Nowadays I think these women all think they are Paris Hilton ...go out, get drunk and get laid. They have a man's mindset now.
 

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Ozzfest, you are right. That is women's mindset now. Get drunk. Get laid.

I was seeing some trashy ho one time, and all she ever talked about was things like, "So and so said her psvvsy was better than mine. She's a ho, blah, blah." Just sexual stuff is all she would talk about and she was even around other ppl. It kinda embarrassed me they she talked like that in front of everyone. Made me feel like she was a bad reflection on me. I had to get rid of her and make a note not to get involved with trashy girls anymore.
 

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Girls find it equally annoying when guys chill with their bros. Different genders have different ways of interacting and different topics of conversation. If it's so annoying to you then don't hang around when she's with her gfs.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Either deal with it or stop hanging around her when she is with her friends. Don't be such a hypocrite. Us guys like to do our share of nasty talk when around our boys.
 

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Welcome to the reality of women!

This is the stuff most guys never hear if they don't have sister's, female friends, or never hung out with a group of females. Many guys think women are just sweet and innocent when all of them want to be bent over. Girls talk about everything and sex is never a big deal to them. Like the thread starter mentioned about it sounding like booty calls, thats how its usually framed in a girl's mind. Most girl's don't consider guys there bfs, even if the guy thinks there bf/gf.

TD made a post about his girlfriend's friends. All her friends were regular HBs that some guys would consider there wives and stuff. They had sex with guys but the girls never thought of the guys as bfs and the guys thought the girls were there girlfriends.

My Experiences
- This is by far my best experience. Hanging with bunch of LESBIANs, Bisexuals, and hbfriend who confess to me that she is bi curious. These girls say slut, bitvh, fuk, like its out of style. They comfortably talk about strap ons and how they turned girl's lesbains and all there great stories. I was pretty entertained. They sat there telling me which girls they used to talk too and basically told me about girls that I knew that were bi. Raw and Uncut conversations.

- Me abd HBfriend talked a lot about our sex lives together. (Due to the sexual tension me and her had built up) She really sounds like a girl who is not socially conditioned. Even though I think she talks to me like this because she notices I'm non-judgmental about sex. But anyway she talks about guys being scared of her and how when she talks to guys they don't even try to fuk her and all these AFC things they do. Funny thing is she is like a hb7 and a hb8 when dressed up. Guys always talking about her breast and everything and all my friends want to fuk her. The thing is she is dominate and basically acts like a guy. She goes to me and says "I want to get him" "I'm going to get him to **** me." Her last bf was so scared to even try to fuk her, that he ended up leaving her and that just made her want him to **** her. She then comes back to me saying it wasn't even worth it.:crackup:

- My cousin has a bf and really I don't even think she considers him her bf. I was at her house and I lied for her telling him I was going with her to some concert, she did this because she didn't want him to go. She told my mother how he is annoying and needy, an for spring break she told him to go to Florida by himself so she doesn't have to see him down there. She didn't even care if he talks to other girls.

But yep those are my experiences and its partically normal, best bet is to get used to it and be comfortable with it. It didn't blow me away so much because I usually talk like that to girls so it was almost natural when I started hearing them talk about stuff like that.
 

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ozzfest said:
... however this was like hanging with a bunch of guys. Over the top ****y/funny - Borderline jerks. Is that was us guys act like sometimes when we're out together?
Welcome to the new generation of women. They act like guys and talk like guys and they even curse, spit, drink, smoke, get tattoos and have sex with alot of partners just like a guy would. Alot of guys think that is cool and all but personally I get repulsed by it. If I am dating a girl its because she is the girl and I am the guy. Its like the ying yang symbol. I am the masculine one, therefore I am more brute and forceful she is the feminine one more nurturing and sensetive. Its getting harder and harder to find these girls but they are out there.
 

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Man I know exactly what your talking about. I hate chicks like that. Honestly personally I would debate dumping her because **** like that just bothers me so much.
 

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DJDamage said:
Welcome to the new generation of women. They act like guys and talk like guys and they even curse, spit, drink, smoke, get tattoos and have sex with alot of partners just like a guy would. Alot of guys think that is cool and all but personally I get repulsed by it. If I am dating a girl its because she is the girl and I am the guy. Its like the ying yang symbol. I am the masculine one, therefore I am more brute and forceful she is the feminine one more nurturing and sensetive. Its getting harder and harder to find these girls but they are out there.
Most of them are taken too. It seems to me if she's single for more than a month she's either crazy or butt ugly.

Gonna have to tighten up my girl stealing game, because I'm sick and tired of seeing all the good girls taken.
Watch your backs guys, I'm working on two currently. ;)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Snow Plowman said:
- Me abd HBfriend talked a lot about our sex lives together. (Due to the sexual tension me and her had built up) She really sounds like a girl who is not socially conditioned. Even though I think she talks to me like this because she notices I'm non-judgmental about sex. But anyway she talks about guys being scared of her and how when she talks to guys they don't even try to fuk her and all these AFC things they do. Funny thing is she is like a hb7 and a hb8 when dressed up. Guys always talking about her breast and everything and all my friends want to fuk her. The thing is she is dominate and basically acts like a guy. She goes to me and says "I want to get him" "I'm going to get him to **** me." Her last bf was so scared to even try to fuk her, that he ended up leaving her and that just made her want him to **** her. She then comes back to me saying it wasn't even worth it.:crackup:

- My cousin has a bf and really I don't even think she considers him her bf. I was at her house and I lied for her telling him I was going with her to some concert, she did this because she didn't want him to go. She told my mother how he is annoying and needy, an for spring break she told him to go to Florida by himself so she doesn't have to see him down there. She didn't even care if he talks to other girls.

But yep those are my experiences and its partically normal, best bet is to get used to it and be comfortable with it. It didn't blow me away so much because I usually talk like that to girls so it was almost natural when I started hearing them talk about stuff like that.
:crackup: :crackup: that's sad for that "bf" of hers.
of course no girl would consider an AFC her bf.
 

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whats funny is I think we all love these Girl Gone Wild type videos...we just don't want to marry these girls. Also, its fun to watch these girls on video, but we can always turn the video off at any time. When in person you can't change the channel when you start getting tired of their rap.
 

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ozzfest: you must be their little munchkin (sidekick) if they let you hang with them during such a $lutfest filled night... Are you getting any action from her becoz while chicks like this, act all $lutty and stuff, they change into nervous wrecks when they like a guy.
 

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Breathe... us in
Breathe... slowly
Breathe... us in
Slowly...

Everything you do,
Everywhere you go,
Anything we want
Anything

Persuasion (slowly)
Coercion (slowly)
Selection (breathe)
Assimilation (us in)

Breathe... us in
Slowly...
Slowly...
 

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MacDaddy...you bring up a good point. Had to think that over. I dont think I am a sidekick but perhaps you could be right. The answer might lie somewhere in the middle. I thought I was invited because perhaps she wanted to be more than just friends. Invite me to be with her friends and see how I mix in with them. I thought she just got drunk and let her guard down. Said some things she would regret the next day.

The ending to the story is the next day she texts me back and forth saying she had a great time and we should do it again. After she said we should do it again I didn't respond back. Left her hanging on that note. We haven't done it again. It just left a bad taste in my mouth. Her and her friends are just a little too trashy for me.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dunno about you guys but whenever I am in a group of girls my masculinity drops like zero and I have this insane need to either punch a couple of them out or run like hell.

You are also in a dangerous area as well, you either end up as part of the girls or be like the male lion. You do not want to be part of the girls and laugh and socialize with them. Never for one moment be fooled you can trick any of them as well, be like the male lion or alpha ape of a female harem.
 
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