"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I would really like to help a lot of guys out here by stressing how important it is not to focus on the words that women say.

So many of these threads lately would not exist if the guy who posted them just sat down for a second and asked the question, "what do her actions tell me?"

The childhood rhime, "Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me" couldn't be more true in this case. In fact it is the axiom by which men should deal with women.

Why should you not listen to a womans words?

Fact #1
Women are emotional creatures. Two weeks of every month for them is an emotional rollercoster. During this time women have a hard time being logical. This is why men who are successfull with women don't give up on the first or second rejection. These guys know that a woman will find you attractive one week and not attractive the next. This is why "timing" is important to a woman. You have to nail her at the right time when her pu-ssy is saying yes. So unless you follow her monthly cycle it doesn't make any sense to listen to a womans words.

Fact #2
We all know that women are followers and not leaders. They will say whatever is fashionable over what is the truth and reality of the situation. This is exactly why women don't know what they want. They simply regurgitate what they hear on TV and what holllywood tells them. This is why as a man you need to focus on what a woman REALLY needs and not what a woman says they want. It is the only way you will ever be happy with yourself as a man.

Fact #3
All women want a strong guy who can set them right emotionally. They don't want a guy who will become week or emotionaly unstable when they do. This is the purpose of the "***** Test". Girls will reject you simply to test you. It is a quick way for them to find out if you are really man enough to handle them. If you can't take their rejection then how are you going to suport them when they go nuts or have a kid?


Fact #4
Anti-slut defence is perhaps the best example of this. In the girls heart, she wants to be direct and forward and give you her number. But the laws of our culture tell her not to give off the impression that she is a slut (even though she might be). In order to get past Anit-slut defense you have to ignore her words and continue focus on her actions.

Fact #5
A woman who loves you will DO "via action" all kinds of things for you. She will buy you gifts, cook for you, massage your back, and most importantly give you head. And she won't expect anything in return for it.

Just imagine how simple women would be to deal with if you couldn't hear a word they said. You could only judge them on their actions and what their eyes told you.




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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Awesome post, #5 was something I just experienced, and basically I was getting everything in that, but she was saying she didn't want to be in a relationship with me. Go freakin' figure.
 

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I don't know, I like to listen to girls when ever I get a chance. I find when you listen to what a girl is saying, you can get a quick peek inside their psyche. Obviously you have to pay attention to what they phyically do as well but by noticing both you'll get a clear picture of what exactly they're up to.

The girl I'm currently after, I've had to look and listen to her actions and words to figure out what kinda game she's been running.
She's a strong girl in her self (not just because she's 6'2" an inch taller then I), she's the head of her soroity and has to lead as part of her job. She's gonna graduate with a 4.0 and is going to law school. This intellegance has lead her to believe she's above a lot of guys that are around her, till she met me and I matched her step for step in some areas, beat her in others, but what really gets her is I'm willing to concede defeat in feilds that she knows more about then I. The last one really gets her because she's use to guys like me pretening like they know everything and since she's come across a guy who's willing to listen, she really doesn't know how to coupe with it.

She's emotinal but from what I've heard from her and seen how she acts around me she tries to front like she's the toughest girl on the planet and doesn't really need anyone. In reality it's just an emotial barrier she's put up because sometime in the the past some guy she liked really hurt her and she's trying not to go through that again. I know this because I listen to her, and she drops little hints about it without saying it directly.

She does like me because i'm strong but she's scared of me because I'm not what she's use to dealing with. She doesn't want me to go out of my way to impress her. She wants me to be my own man and not worry too much about breaking my back for her. She's got all the money she needs (her parents charter NFL teams around the country so she's loaded) what she wants is a companion, which is what i'm always looking for. I need a partner in crime and I think she's it.

Still though I don't just wait around for things to develop with just her. I'm still in the game looking for other girls as well. By going out and meeting other girls, I keep myself honest when it comes to her because if I meet another girl like her (and I will it's just a matter of time) I'll already have a proven working strategy to get myself through the process (I've been after this one for almost 2.5 months now) and I'll know the signs. Also I won't have the feeling of I absolutely have to have this one, so I can work without pressure.

Regardless, she's a challage for me and meeting other's like her will be as well. But if not for my good listening as well as observational tallents I'd never have gotten as far as I have. Only by gathering ALL of the facts have I been able to work this one to the points I have.
 

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Good to see that this gets the support of a woman as well (if you notice Penkitten)

I have the great tendency to overanalyze situations that occur when I'm dating. I have a feeling that isn't uncommon among many of the people who frequent these boards.

Maybe it's better to watch a girls actions.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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True. A girl dumped me once and she kept in contact while she was banging other guys. I would only return words back of hello and bullcrap but never insist on asking her out cause h0s get all giddy when someone asks them out and they get even more giddy when they turn them down.

so i judged her on action and she has never really went out of her way on seeing me, or ask me out. all she does is show some skin or some lovely words and assume i will do something about it considering she dumped me.

st00pid b1tch.
 

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Originally posted by PRMoon


In reality it's just an emotial barrier she's put up because sometime in the the past some guy she liked really hurt her and she's trying not to go through that again. I know this because I listen to her, and she drops little hints about it without saying it directly.


Sounds like u are being the nice guy here and you are being used as an emotional tampon.

I always tell my girl that she has to come forward and talk about something directly with me or I won't clue in. If she can't trust that I'll be understanding then she is the one with the problem. I'm not going to painfully endure a bunch of hints or mind games just to please her. If she has a problem then she has to say so.

Listening does not mean MIND READING. many women expect that you should read their minds. When you try it you get soooooo damn confused about things it isn't funny. That is why I just ignore all the hints and the suggestive remarks. If I sense that she is being tricky and suggestive I call her out on it and demand that she be more transparent.

The only time I listen to a woman is when she is being transparent.
 

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Originally posted by 00Kevin
Sounds like u are being the nice guy here and you are being used as an emotional tampon.

I always tell my girl that she has to come forward and talk about something directly with me or I won't clue in.
Listening does not mean MIND READING. many women expect that you should read their minds. When you try it you get soooooo damn confused about things it isn't funny. That is why I just ignore all the hints and the suggestive remarks.
The only time I listen to a woman is when she is being transparent.
We're not really at the stage where I can really be an emotial tampon yet. We're still in the first stage of courtship (2.5 months is a long time but I have other girls in my pipeline as well). She hasn't really told me anthing about her past because she doesn't really trust me yet, infact she doesn't really know what to think of me at all yet. That in tandom with how she treats most of the guys I see her talkin to, lets me know that she was hurt quite a bit in the past. I've seen it a hundred times.

I'm not saying listening will make you a psychic but by not listening you're doing yourself a great diservice. No I'm not saying listen to all of their sob tales and what not, you can let your mind wander during those convos, but I do know how to read a girl and I know for a fact that it's a cross between what they say and how they act and the two aren't mutually exclusive.
It may seem like a daunting task, but after you've done it once, it seems easy. I've had girls tell me "It's like you're inside my head" and I somewhat am, because I've read them so well (physically and verbally) that I know what state of mind they're in.

It's not rocket science, it's just good practice that's always given me good results.
 

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Hey PRMoon,

I would like you to know that I am still available for that 6'2 chick. By now, you should have already given up.
 

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Originally posted by Disturbed
Hey PRMoon,

I would like you to know that I am still available for that 6'2 chick. By now, you should have already given up.
hehe i'd like to say I've been "working" on her for all this time. But I really do spread myself too thin I think. I'm currently seeing two other girls at the same time while waiting her out. She's a tough nut and patience is key.

I just called her the friday before last, but she went on spring break in mexico last week. I'm hopin to hook it up with her thursday or friday. If it doesn't work out through I'll email you her number K? She's way hot and worth the effort ... Or at least I think she is.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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