"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Alright all you fellow Don Juans, I need your opinions, thoughts or insight on my current situation.

I know what I need to do but as we all know how overwhelmed we can get when we feel heartbreak and pain and sometimes act unnatural. So here's my situation, I broke up with my girlfriend 3 nights ago. This was in hopes of it more less being a break because we did need some space. About a month ago she said somethings to me when she went home for the weekend from her house at college.

It gave her some time to think and she went out to a bar with her family and hung out and later told me that she didn't get to texting me back because she was having fun and didn't think about me. I told her that was fine, we spend on average 5 maybe 6 days and nights together a week. She then said she didn't feel attached like she was.

She didn't really know what it was, we discussed it for a few days and she determined that it was bc I had just gone though a rough spell and was kind of depressed bc I didn't get a seasonal job I intended on getting. I quit my previous job to start my graduate classes online bc they switched me from 1st to 3rd shift. I didn't work for about the last two months and money got a little tight. We determined that we needed a little time apart and agreed on it.

For the next 2 weeks we might have managed to be apart 2-3 days a week until the Christmas holidays. Even when I left, she would end up coming over. I went with her to her families Xmas bc my family lives 8hrs away and she went to my thanksgiving. We had a great time then 27-28th we caught the stomach flu, laid in bed together for two days aching and throwing up. We seemed head over heels insepartable, on news years night we had a great time, we made amazing love for an hour and cuddled all night.

The next day I went back to her house to use my computer to fill out an application for a teaching job that just opened. Thats why I'm back in school to get certifed to teach. And she sends me a text, saying that she thinks I was right before. said that we are pretty much just best of friends. I called her and ask her what? I had said that she was my best friend in the world and lover and my life.
 
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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The last time a month previous to this when she first told me she felt unattached, I didn't sleep at all that night and had to observe at a high school the next day.  So after all the work we had done, she was getting at this again and of course she was by herself at her dads house thinking this.  So after all the heartache I felt before and she text me that while I was in the middle of an assessment for the application.  

I felt like I couldn't deal with it anymore, she was dragging me down and affecting what I was trying to accomplish for our life.  Shes a semester away from being a teacher also.  So I acted like a man, I got irrational and hotheaded and told her I can't deal with her going back and forth, that it was toying with my emotions (little did I know it would get 10x worse) and I told her that I was packing up all my **** at her house and leaving and I wouldn't be back.  That was fine, that would have worked well for us, it would have been a break, but here's where I messed up, I took it off facebook and then took it off her profile.  

Some of you might assume as some of my friends that there's someone else.  I'm 100% positive there's not a chance, we are together way too much, which was a downfall to us, but we both always leave our facebooks up and our phones open to see anything. And I asked her dead in her eyes, so its not someone else, what I'm about to get into is all about us and in her head.  After it happened, I was fine for about a day, it didn't seem real, I'm still in love with her and was prepares to proper to her within the next year or so.  

Im 27 and have been in several long term relationships.  The last one for 30 months and the one before that around 2 years, then the one before that around 2 years.  This is the first girl I've actually wanted to spend the rest of my life with.  We met last December, so a little over a year for us.  My parents met her only once when we went over for 5 days and told me that she's the first one they've absolutely loved.  

They said they thought she was the one after I told them the news.  So the first day went fine, we texted a little bit that night, of course me wanting to know everything and asking how long she thinks it will be for and all that.  She was telling me that she just needed some space and if I do everything I say imam going to do, with a job and everything, then she doesn't see how I can fail.  I was ok that night after our texts, day 2 we text a little more, she went over to her friends house for most of the night and I text her to call me when she got home so I could tell her goodnight and ask her a few things.  

We talked for 2 hours that night and this is where I broke.  Before she got back to her dads I went and left a cat pillow pet as a gift for her to cuddle with since we wouldn't be cuddling and she pet me have the kitten we have together.  I left flowers, chocolates and a card on the bench outside her bedroom window.  

So when she called me I asked if she got it, she said no?  You came to my dads in kind of a creeped out voice and like I shouldn't have.  It was late, 11:30 or so and he goes to bed early.  Then she was like, no, you can't do this stuff like we're not broke up.  I said you always love gifts, cards and flowers but she wasnt soft on them.  

I then told her it was a thank you for the time we spent together and I wanted her to have something to cuddle with, of course this Don Juan put my cologne on it.  In the card I wrote simplified, that I hope that the roads lead us back together at somepoint.  

The conversation went on, this is what got me, she said she's 22, wants to be free and not obligated to text me back or call me, that she wants to go out with her friends and even on dates to have fun.  I said dates?  She said yea I'd like to, if the opportunity came, I know that will come, she is very beautiful, people hit on her all the time and she's real fun so that what scared me.  I told her that jealousy was a natural human emotion and that if she did stuff with other people it would be hard for me to see her the same.

She said I couldn't even imagine kissing anyone else for a long time.  But she wants fun and to be free.  The gym I go to is also in her town where she lives while at school and she said she better never see my cruise by her house.  I got maybe 2hrs sleep that night and the wonderful stress in my body has subsided hunger also so I can hardly eat.  

The next day I text her asking if we could talk in person so I could gain some closure on this since we never had seen each other after breaking up.  

I chatted with a good friend of mine who is a girl and she gave me some good insight on the female perspective.  I started out asking her if she was alright and she shook her head yes, but I could read in her face that she was tore up.  I told her I respected her and wanted to give her, her space, that inwouldnt text or call.  She's a firm believer that everything happens for a reason and if we're meant to be together then we will be.  

I told her that a relationship is 50/50 and my 50% is there, that I'm all in.  I said that things do happen for a reason, that's why we were led to each other, but relationships take work and if we have love, and she still says she loves me, that we have to work through to ups and downs.  I apologized for breaking up, I said I wish I wouldn't have, that we should have worked on it a bit more.  I asked if she was ready to breakup when I did, she said no.  I apologized for taking it off facebook, that it was a slap in the face and probably broke her heart.  

She starting shaking her head and cried for about 15minutes.  The damage was done she said and she's not one to get right back into things, especially not to look immature by being back in the relationship 3 days later on facebook.  I told her even if we did start talking again and working through it, I wouldn't even consider putting it back for at least a month.  The talk ended with a 10sec kiss and a huh with her still crying.  

She went to her sisters that night and back home to her house at school tonight.  I made it through day 1 without texting or calling her, her roommate which is also my brother's (who I live with) girlfriend picked up her stuff from my house to take back to her.  She said she wanted the scrapbook I made her, I even added a few more pages to it with pictures, and tickets and stuff we had done.

She also wanted a picture that I drew of her that was framed.  So that made me feel ok.  I did send her a brief msg on facebook telling her that I got job that I start on Monday and another interview for a manager position.  I felt that might be positive since that seemed like a downfall for us.  I think I'll wait about a week as hard as it is, then text her and see if she has any feelings sorted out, if she's excited to talk to me then maybe ask her to dinner, if not give her another week, then keep that at a weekly thing for about four weeks, if no improvement, I'll have to move on bc after a month I think she'll be so drifted and if she doesn't miss me and us enough then it won't work.  Here's my downfall, the stress, I'm in a really bad situation.  

I just moved about 3 weeks ago to her hometown where her dad still lives and actually live in a rental house her mom owns!  Less than a week ago we were talking about how much she loves this house and when she finished school and we're married that she'd love for this to be our first home to start a family in, of course my brother moving out.  We had plans like this and it seems in a blink of an eye she was gone, not to mention my best friend that I talk to about everything.  So it's really hard on me here with no friends yet, in her moms house, with my brother dating her roommate so I get to see their happiness and him leaving running around with her, not to mention hearing about my ex and wanting to ask about her.  

She's hurt I know she is, bc she never talks to her roommate bc they don't get along real well and she's been calling her the last few days talking, going to her friends house, her sisters and all that for support.  I don't know if she's sorting it out or trying to move past us.  She's very deep but holds a lot of true feelings in, she had an uncle die, then another uncle a week later. She was strong and didn't act likenit phased her to later break down a week or two later crying from pain and loss.  I'm hoping for that with us and that she realizes how great we were and I'm hoping that now she's back at her house, where we spent a lot of time she's feel it more.  One other thing, for Xmas I got her tickets to our favorite college basketball team, a sellout every game team, she was ecstatic, jumping up and down saying it was the best gift she's ever gotten.  

So two nights ago when we talked, i asked her if she still wanted to go as friends, she said no, absolutely not, the car ride there and back, the time and experience at the game, absolutely not.  That killed me a little more inside.  But i respected it and told her i understand, she said she wanted me to have the tickets, I told her no I got them for her, she told me to sell them.  The game is two weeks away, I'm going to hold onto them just in case.  

Sorry for the length, but I feel that you guys should understand the whole situation to be able to diagnose it properly.   Let me know what you guys think I should do about the no contact in a matter of phases and in time.  What you think about her and her feelings and emotions and especially how to deal with my stress and heartache.  

I joined a new gym and talked to a lot of people today, but it's the time I night where I lose it, not talking or seeing her or cuddling.  Thanks for any input guys!
 
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Break that down into paragraphs mate and I might bother to read it and leave a real reply, my 4 year old nephew can type better.
 

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Where the hell do I even begin from mate ?

Your entire world consists of this one girl and from the sound if it so did all your other relationships.

She is young and wants to be free and date again and your needyness is (or should I say has) driving her away from you.

A healthy normal relationship involves you and her spending as much time away from each other as you spend together.

For the love of god find a few hobbies make some new friends move out of her moms house.

This relationship is dead she's had a taste of you and it's not what she wants, you have to move on and change the way you look at things.

Also you can not break up with a girl and then change your mind, as a man you have to lead with everything you do and say and once you make a move it should be well thought out and no backing out or changing your mind. Unless its life threatening.

You're behaving like a woman does and not like a man, yoyo-ing around playing the same pushpull rubbish women do when they break up with men. you decided to call it quits now stick to it suck it up and remember there will and are many more fish in the sea. Dwelling on one lost fish won't ever help you.

The pain you feel right now is normal because you surrounded yourself like a silkworm in her warm cuddly silky feelings and friendship, with that safety layer now gone you feel cold alone and torn up. From now on you don't ever let any one person or any one thing become the sole reason for your happiness, its a quick way of killing your soul.

The best thing to do is take it a day at a time and try to achieve the most out of each day without contacting her, and get off facebook its for kids that need to tell the world how much their life rocks or sucks at anyone time.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Thanks for the insight man, it's good to see another guys perspective...we did kinda wear each other out from being around so much...but if she sticks around you don't think it be a good idea to work at it and live our lives for ourselves and one another, I think if we do reunite it will be only after we each find ourselves, then allow things to progress as normal with not being each others entire lives, but a big supportive part.
 

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Nope move on there are much better women out there, in this day and age working on fixing a problem never ever works, its easier and less painful to just throw it away and find a new one.

Trust me one day years from today your gonna look back and see how much time money and energy you wasted on a stupid "ideal" relationship and kick yourself for it.

Like I said get a few more hobbies a decent job move into a decent place or buy your own, go travel the world open up your perspective and enjoy life, if a woman or women come along for the ride sweet if not oh well no biggy.

You're wasting your time with this one.
 

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Discussioned!

Also, edited your two posts to give them some paragraphs. Typing all of that on an IPhone? Impressive!
 

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Thanks for editing most posts virtual mind, with that said I would like to add some updates and hopefully get a few more responses.

Today was one week from the break up. I got a text msg right after I got off work saying, "Need to ask you something". I was kind of upset bc I didnt know what it could be and didn't want another emotional swing. I text back and said I was having to pick my car up from the shop and it'd be a little bit. She said okay and text her back saying she'd need to call now before I got home bc the guy was there getting ready to install our Internet. She called right away, her question was if I was going to sell the basketball tickets I got her for Xmas, bc her mom wanted them if I was. I didn't get it why her mom didn't call me to ask instead of putting her on the spot to have to call me. I told her she could have them if my friend wasn't going to go, that 'she' was gonna let me know by weds if she could go.

The conversation then went to what she really wanted, she wanted her kitten back that she had been trying to get her roommate get back for her. I told her that she gave it to me. She begged some more, this is the only power I feel like I have over her right now, so I stuck to my guns and said no, if all you are is missing and thinking about is that cat then you need more time and space to analyze the bigger picture. She said **** you, I ****ing hate you. I text her back 2min later saying call me back, you'll like what I have to say. She calls back and I tell her I'll give her back on weds when I get off work early. We went on to talk for an hour and a half.

Four days ago I sent her a text saying, I have things to say, expect an email in coming days. I haven't sent it yet so I figured this was a good time to say it since she was in good spirits with me. I told her in the time apart it has made me realize what went wrong. I thought this out long and hard and told her that I broke the unwritten promise to her of being a provider as a man. That the money she gets from her parents is for her support while she is in school and shouldn't ever have to pay for when we went out. The last couple months while inwas in school and unable to find a job in our rural area that would work around my schedule. So we'd alternate and split the times out about in half. I ask her what was the one thing that I used to have when we first met and throughout our relationship that she fell in love with, she said my positiveness. I agreed and said yes inwas always positive and more than that I was confident. I told her inwas confident and inl
 

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you just sold out your soul so you could hear some "nice" words from that girl .............. great job mate.

Your last paragraph ......... I would punch your face if I was related to you in anyway.

Sell those useless tickets if you are not going to the game and save that money for a future investment.

Stop talking like a mangina and enabling her by saying stupid things like "she should'nt have to pay while out on a date with you". What are you trying to prove ? That your only a bank account and nothing more ?

Grow a spine already and stop talking to that girl, and give the cat to someone who will actually take care of it.

You know what screw it your a lost case.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I told her i was lost it bc I had to quit my job due to a shift change and overlapping with my classes, that I didn't get a job inwas practically promised and my car had broke down. That I never should have but she helped me through it and the break up was the best thing for us right now bc it gives her, her time and space and took away my padded silk cacoon I had wrapped around me for support to fall back on. Now that she was gone I had to do everything for myself and had a new sense of confidence that is so strong it will never be lost. She knows I have a pretty decent job now and had three more calls today, thanks to moving to a better area.

As the conversation went on she said that it wasn't something to be fixed and be right back in it in a couple weeks, or a month, maybe even months. Untold her I agree, if we get back into it we'd take it slow, I'd take her out a a date and see how it went from there, to never start spending the night with one another, but to keep going on dates and let it grow back instead of jumping right back into. At this point I felt I had her wrapped around my little finger bc she was giving back really agreeable and positive sounding mmmhmms and yes's. It sounded like I made a breakthough.

She went on to say that it'd be weird if I was out on a date and she showed up with a guy in the same place. This was odd but I went with it saying yew it would be. Then I said well if I move to Chicago I doubt that'll happen, bc I have an option to be a personal trainer at a big gym making good money. She combatted that with unless I met a guy that'd fly me up there to do something crazy. I thought, wow she's playing the game good to rebuttal all my things that might get to her with a denfense. I told her that she shouldn't be shallow and should be happy with the person, not the things they can buy her or take her on. We've taken a lot of trips and she loves to travel. She did agree that she wasn't shallow and it was kind of a joke.

The conversation the went to if we dated others and did stuff. I told her that if I did stuff with other people and we got back together I'd almost feel guilty and obligated to tell her and that if she did it'd always be in the back of my mind wanting to know. That'd it'd prolly cause fights if we did take another chance and that it probably would work well and owed it to the chance of a future us to not while we're taking our space. Again she agreed and said she wouldn't be able to either and couldn't do anything for some time.

I ended the conversation by saying that it was good to talk to her and she said she missed me, I told her that we can't talk like this, as friends. Bc it wasn't fair to either one of us bc it comforts us along the way making it easier for us. That if we continue all we'll be is friends and that I needed time and space to keep doing me. She agreed and I said inwont be calling or txting you anymore. After you have enough time and space you can contact me. That's I'd drop off her cat to her on Wednesday.

My question to you all is, do I do anything Wednesday when I drop off the cat? What if she starts to keep contacting me, should inbe brief and uninterested? As much as I want to tell her that I'm still in love with her, that I think and have always thought that she is the one, that I'm leaving the ball in her court. That's it's not fair for us to stay in contact bc it's not fair to me bc it is hurting me. I don't know if old fashioned love is the right route. Do I have to be distant from her and let her eventually confess this to me or do I do it to her? What if we're both just sonstubborn that neither one of us give in and miss the opportunity? How do I know the right time to hit her with it when she misses me the most before she grows too distant or moves on?

I have had a lot of advice telling me to invoke jealously within her to make her realize that she might be losing me for good if she doesn't act now. So I told her roommate who was at my house earlier visiting my brother, that I was going out with a girl from work tomorrow and an old friend was coming up to my town thurs to have drinks and I was going shopping with another old friend who are all girls, on Sunday. How are your experiences with a girl feeling jealousy? Will it make her come to terms and realize or make her compete and try to go out just as much? Thanks!
 

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I forgot to mention that I was out over the weekend at a bar and she called her roommate asking where I was and what I was doing bc she saw my car out there on a different side of town than she'd ever be on.

I'd appreciate more insight than from just the mate, mate...more opinions are out there other than just yours and everyone else I talk to might know more of the situation and have seen us together and are telling me everything opposite of you.
 
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