"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Fantasy is a good way of adding it, but as long as you can give her emotion then any method is good.
That's great. I'll look more into it.

Thanks.

Doing further friendly things would mean more involvement and emotional investment, and she doesn't want that when she says "friends". She may be genuinely happy with the way things are now (in which case you may still have room to escalate), or she may not want the confrontation of a frontal rejection (in which case that's it), but the bottom line is the same: it's all about low interest.
And my point is that considering she has long conversations with me, where she appears to be genuinely interested, seems to indicate that it's the former.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Heartagram said:
And my point is that considering she has long conversations with me, where she appears to be genuinely interested, seems to indicate that it's the former.
Don't be so sure. By all means, give it a try as long as you remember that you should keep looking, but long online conversations that didn't escalate (and even some that did escalate) may actually end up meaning very little. Online chatting has the downside of being a lot more fickle (flacky?) than RL. That's my experience, hence my recommendation :)
 

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Fvcking hell.. I just scanned through some of my past conversations with her and realized how fvcking bland I am.

How do I turn it up a notch? =\ I'm seriously clueless.

EDIT: Good lord, I screwed up big time. She's not even replying to my Hi. She might as well just block me.

But... on the bright side, the other girl is on, and I seem to be doing good. ;)

I guess I learned my lesson, as RMM said, haha.. Thanks, guys.
 
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Heartagram said:
Fvcking hell.. I just scanned through some of my past conversations with her and realized how fvcking bland I am.

How do I turn it up a notch? =\ I'm seriously clueless.

try flirting with her lol. Make Jokes.


tease her a little bit even

how do you do this you ask?

Just relax and enjoy it. Talk to her like you would be talking to a Friend, or your girl friend. I mean actually have fun. aim to amuse yourself first, her second. when you enjoy yourself, she will enjoy as well

Most importantly, don't take yourself or anything too seriously.
 

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Heartagram said:
Fvcking hell.. I just scanned through some of my past conversations with her and realized how fvcking bland I am.
FINALLY.

I've been asking you this over and over from my very first reply to this thread. I kept asking you WHAT HAVE YOU TWO BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

So you've glanced over some of your past conversations with her and you;ve found that you've been "bland",or in other words BORING.

Well that's it. That'll do it.

Like I said before,to turn her off it doesn't have to be something you did that screwed things up,it could be something you DIDN'T do. Which is the case here. You didn't create attraction in her,hence the "friend" comment.

She'll continue talking to you in the computer,but as far as anything romantic,no,she's not interested because she didn't feel anything.

Dude,you'd been better off making her angry and pissing her off than being bland. All anger is is passion in a different form.

How do I turn it up a notch? =\ I'm seriously clueless.
If you want to learn how to do this for someone you may meet in the future,cool,but more than likely,it's too late with this girl.

She already has a sense of who you are,again hence the "friend" remark.

If you start trying to "turn it up a notch",you run the risk of coming off as a fake,as a phony.

You can do it if you want,but since she's never seen anything like that from you,it'll probably make her uncomfortable.

I don't know if you're in the friendzone yet,but if you are,then it's over with.

Hey,if you've used up your 10 posts for the day,then edit your last post.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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