"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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DJ_student

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Ok, for all of you master DJs to help me better, I may be required to post a relatively long prelude to my current dilemma, so bear with me;)

I have started this DJ "stuff" only 6 months ago, short I know, yet I feel I have made a considerable amount of progress within those few months. Haven't really had a problem with confidence since the start... Actually my two greatest problems was (1) falling too hard too fast and (2) falling in the friend zone too much...

As soon as I realized those, I started to disrupt these destructive patterns of mine by cutting contact with most of my female "friends". By this I mean not being too much available to them most of the time but being fun and charming when I give them some attention. I began applying the cool articles Ive read in this great site to them, and while some showed no results at all, surprisingly many seemed to work. Now here is my current situation starts, a girl which I had no interest before...

There was this girl, who became my friend last year, almost the same time as now since it was also summer. Now as a friend, I did all the "friend" stuff... I was there when she needed someone to talk to, did not use any kino, and had no game at all. It was also around this time that her bf broke up with her, and I was just there to comfort her. In short, I had no interest in pursuing her.

Now, fast forward a whole year. As I said above, I decided to learn to be a DJ and started applying DJ principles. I was flirting with a lot of girls by this time, and she was one of them. Whenever she sends me text messages I don't reply, but when I go visit her at her dorm, I flirt with her. We have this "tickling sessions" and I usually tease her petite body. She seems to go with it, I see some improvement but still not sure if I'm out of the friendzone just yet. But actually there was this girl that I was pursuing above them.

One time, I was supposed to have this date with the "girl I was pursuing" but she did something to upset me, so I canceled our date to teach her a lesson. Since I don't want to waste the plans I made for that day, I invited the other girl out instead. At first she said she had plans that afternoon, I persisted a few times but gave up when the answer was still no. After half an hour, she contacted me again saying she moved her plans earlier and asked me if I still want to go with her. I said ok, and told her to meet me at the mall by 6 pm.

Later that afternoon, we watched a horror movie. I started doing the "stuff", you already know like playful kino, teasing her, busting her balls, creating romantic moments, etc... Again I felt good vibes, so later after the movie I invited her to this nearby live-band bar which I was pretty familiar with. I sit her at my favorite spot, a sofa in the corner of the bar with a great view of the band. At first, she was sitting with some distance from me, I ignored this and continued with what I was doing before. Somehow, after a few minutes I find myself sitting closely beside her and my arms around her, like in a casual way and it didn't seem to bother her. We were talking and as soon as I felt like it, I leaned in and gave her a kiss on the cheeks. She was a bit surprised and asked me why I did it, I just smiled it off..:D She silenced for a while, but my arms were still around her. We stayed at the bar till 10pm just to finish the single beer i ordered.

By the time we were heading home, I learned that she would be sleeping alone in the dorm that night because all her room mates have all gone home (it was the end of semester). She was kind of asking (though not directly to me, like she was talking to herself out loud) if she would contact her brother to stay with him at the dorm that night. I did not say anything. I continued to escort her to the dorm. When we arrived there, she invited me inside. She seemed to have forgotten her notion of calling her brother up to accompany her in the dorm. It was pretty late, and we were both pretty sleepy already. I self-invited myself to her bed even though there were three other beds..;)
It did not seem to bother her. After that, our conversation kind of strayed to a topic about her ex-boyfriend. I let her talk and just listened. She told me that her ex already has a new gf but she seemed to not have moved on completely, because sometimes he would still visit her. I knew she still had some feelings for him but it didn't matter to me. Later, I told her that I would turn off the lights because I can't sleep with the lights on, she said it was fine.

Now here is the interesting part... There I was lying close to her, I can smell her feminine fragrance and it was getting me all worked up. I asked her if I can hug her, she told me to sleep already. I said ok and turned my back on her, she laughed and pinched me so I turned to her again. After some time, I asked again if I can hug her, she told me to please just sleep already. I said "ok I will sleep now, just want to let you know that you smell great" and turned my back on her. She laughed again and pinched me once more. This time I faced her again, and placed my head near her shoulders so that I can smell her neck. I asked her once again, "can I hug you." She gave up and said yes...:D So there I was hugging her and smelling her neck while lying close to her, then I noticed she turned her head away from me. So what I did is I backed my head away from her neck a little, so now my breath is not touching her neck. Sensing this, she then turned her head to me. Our eyes met in the dark, I rose up a little and said "hey, I have something to tell you..." I stared at her face to face for a while, I put my hand on her cheeks and kissed closed her. It was just for a second or two, then backed away and our eyes met again. Now here is the part that I hesitated (I don't know if its a big mistake or not) but I lied by her side again. She asked me why I did it, I told her that " a reason is not important, just go to sleep." [Haha, dont tell me it was stupid, I didn't had any condoms with me... :crackup: ]

In the morning, I expected it to be awkward between us. I acted like nothing had happened and surprisingly, it was not awkward at all. I just continued where I left off the night before, still playing with her and all that. While she was cleaning her room, I went out to get us some breakfast. When I came back, I told her to stop cleaning and eat with me before the meal becomes cold. She did with no questions asked, and while eating with her, I noticed that her pupils are fully dilated.. (good sign;) ) Then I helped her clean a little and said goodbye soon afterward with no explanations at all. As I went out and walked away from her dorm, she sent a text message saying tnx for helping her clean. I did not reply.

I let 1 week pass without communication with her. She went back to her home town and by that time, it was Holy week here in the Philippines... I decided to send her a text message. There she told me that from the time I left her dorm to that day 1 week after, she was waiting for me to apologize to her for what I did. I said I will not say sorry for what happened coz I think there is nothing wrong with it and told her that we should talk about it personally the next time we meet, she agreed. I also inserted a quick "I kind of miss you" to show her that I am interested in her, which I am because I realized she was the kind of woman whom I can have fun with...

Now (at last) here is my problem. By this time, she is still at her home town for the summer so I can't ask her out. She sends me usual text messages of sad love quotes (these are group messages and common here in our country) that may have some meaning or not. The last time I saw her picture in friendster, she was wearing the shirt that her ex-bf gave her. To all that came up to here and read all the way, congratz!:up: Now my question is, should I pursue her and how?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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DJ_student said:
low interest?

should I go on with the "next" then? Or try a little harder, just to see where this lead?
I think you tried hard enough. If I read correctly, after you kissed her at the bar and in her bed, she asked WHY? And then she asked you to apologize? If that's not a sign to next her I don't know what is. That and the fact that she's making it clear to you that she's not over her ex is a sign of a low interest level. Next.
 

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that is a good point usscrum...

but i also would like to take in consideration that I was an AFC half of the whole time i spent with her, and was deep in the friendzone until recently...

Though Im not saying im out of the friendzone already, at least she didn't act more worse than she did. I could understand that she is confused at my sudden change of acting towards her. Coz prior to what happened, I never showed any interest. Though I would really hate it if im making this up to deceive myself... haha
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I think she's going to be very reluctant as you persue this... she will resist every move you try. You might eventually get her into bed, but in the long run she's not going to be able to fool herself anymore. Once a woman categorizes you as a friend, she is pretty much going to always consider you that. She may have periods of weekness where she will let you get more physical, but it's unlikely to last. The sheer fact that you had to ask her three times to hug her while lying in bed is not a good sign. Also, you shouldn't ask to hug or kiss a girl, you should just do it. If she pushes away or otherwise indicates she didn't want to do that, it's time to next her.
 
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