"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Help turning embers back into a flame?

e_i_pi

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Hi everyone,

I stumbled across this site about a month back during a night shift, and have spent a long time reading through articles, and have gained a lot. This, though, is my first post. I apologise in advance for the length of this post, but I’d like advice that really helps, and I figure the only way I'll get that advice is by explaining the problem in depth.

Several years ago, after graduating in Maths, I decided to start a finance business with a friend, and thought it best to do a lite course (6 months full-time) in Business Management at a local college to learn the basics of Federal Business Legislation. As usual, in week one, I went about casing out the other students, finding out about them and forming ideas, as I’d be spending the next 6 months with them on an almost daily basis.

In week 4 of the course, a new student joined the class. Now, there have been many premature-faux-10s in the past, girls I have gotten hot and flustered over from their initial looks, and there was really nothing to separate this one from them. For arguments sake, we’ll call her Z. She was, by far (IMO) the best looking girl in the class.

Realising that every guy in class will be drooling all over her from the word go, I decide rather than join the slavering pack, I would get on with my work and give her breathing space – who knows, she may even appreciate it. I’m also over 30 now, so I tend to conduct myself with a little more decorum.

Weeks go by, and I find myself thinking about her more and more. Yes, she is beautiful, but now she’s becoming smart, funny, vivacious, confident, and caring – things I could not have known upon first seeing her, but that I discover about her day after day. I still don’t –know- her though, this is just the outer shell, what she wants people to perceive in her. So I stay my ground.

Week 8/9 comes around, out of maybe 16 weeks in the course. It’s lunch-break. I decide to stay in class with about 4-5 other students, to finish my homework I just got, and to help the other students with concepts they didn’t grasp in class. So I’m there, at my desk, reading text… and this amazingly cute set of legs slides in front of me, on my desk, inches away from me – I look up, straight into her eyes, and she says “Hi, I’m Z!”

So, this was about 2 years before I ran into this website. I was the proverbial rabbit in the headlights. She had a boyfriend (still does actually – same one), and I thought it was just one of those study things, you know, you get flirty with someone in class simply because you see them every day and it keeps you entertained.

In the coming months, she offers me lifts home, has lunch with me, chats with me about everything. It comes to the last day of the course, II sleep in and miss the entire day, like an idiot - I think “That’s it – I’ve missed the best chance I’ve ever had”. So, for nostalgia’s sake, I go to the classroom one last time, riddled with dejection, only to find this amazingly long letter she has written on the whiteboard explaining how she will catch up with me, and will email me as soon as possible. The attention is beyond baffling for me – my spirits go from gutter to, well, whatever opposite of gutter is.

Over the next year or so, we end up having coffee together at least once a fortnight, and often twice a week. After coffee we go shopping, head into pet stores, she grabs my arm, points at the kittens and is all bubbling chatty smiles. In many relationships, I have had less fun than this.

Recently though, it has trickled off, to maybe once every two months. We still see each other and keep in contact, but not like we used to. I still help her with business stuff every now and then – I’m her music arranger (she works in choreography), and she keeps coming to me for stuff, so I know it’s not dead in the water. But it’s not what it used to be.

I may well have missed the ideal chance, but I don’t see the fire as being completely out. Where do I go from here? Our level of contact has gone down – it’s not gone, but I can’t be emailing her 2-3 times a week like I used to, that would smother any potential that’s still there. Jeez, do I yearn for the days when she would hop on Messenger, say hi to me, and we’d be chatting for upwards of 6 hours in one go.

Maybe I just don’t want to believe that the chance is gone, maybe it isn’t gone. I don’t believe it’s gone, I think I’ve just been clumsy and ignorant up to now, but I haven’t made any faux pas’ – there’s been nothing irredeemable. So how do I go about this without killing the flame? How do I lure this angel back?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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ezily

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Wow...

Reading what you did with that girl makes it sounds like you're one of her girl friends. No offense or anything of course. You just need to realize what you did.

You have utterly and absolutely NO CHANCE at all with this girl. I hate to burst your bubble but I think you can even see it based on your last paragraph.

You are in the deepest part of the Grand Canyon of the Friend Zone with no arms and legs. Seriously, dude just give up on this girl. You are completely wasting your time and enegry thinking about her. I mean she STILL has a boyfriend. You are her friend. That is all. That is how she sees you and it will never change. You mentioned nothing of anything sexual between you two. No kissing, sex, nothing.

Hey you guys can still be friends. That's up to you. But you'll never ever have a chance to actually date and have a romantic relationship with this girl. In fact, to be honest, I can't think of anything you can do at this point. It's over. You missed your chance probably very soon after you met her. You may never have even had a chance. Go hit up some other girls. You'll be much happier as soon as you find a single one who's actually interested in you romanticly.
 

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btw, there never were any embers and there never was a flame (based on the title to this thread). You really need to read the DJ Bible. You still seem stuck in the AFC mentality with respect to this chick. Just get over it.

also, please don't take this stuff the wrong way. I really am trying to help you. It's important that you can see what you did wrong and why you have no chance. I could go through each thing individually. Like, meeting her once a week for coffee, going shopping, emailing her 3 times a week, etc. Heck the best thing you probably did was skip the last day of class. That is when I would say you blew it. You could have used it as an oppurtunity to escalate with her but you did not.

Just try really hard not to let it happen again. I know it's a bad feeling: having oneitis for a girl you really like but then finally realizing you have no chance. It's happened to me numerous times. The best thing to do is learn from you're mistakes and move on. So if you want to tell this girl the way you feel I guaruntee that she'll just be nice. She's not going to fall into your arms and kiss you. Remain friends if you want.

Others may tell you to cease contact and see if she initiates again, but this won't work in your situation. You're too deep in the fz. She may contact you but it won't be because she wants you but because she misses the conversations you used to have as friends.
 

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ezily said:
Just try really hard not to let it happen again. I know it's a bad feeling: having oneitis for a girl you really like but then finally realizing you have no chance. It's happened to me numerous times. The best thing to do is learn from you're mistakes and move on. So if you want to tell this girl the way you feel I guaruntee that she'll just be nice. She's not going to fall into your arms and kiss you. Remain friends if you want.

Others may tell you to cease contact and see if she initiates again, but this won't work in your situation. You're too deep in the fz. She may contact you but it won't be because she wants you but because she misses the conversations you used to have as friends.
:cry:

But seriously...

Yeah I haven't really been holding high hopes. Just thought maybe someone here had some idea of a magic solution hehe. I don't really have plans to tell her how I feel, cos I do consider her a good friend anyhow, and it'd be a waste to gamble that away.

I had a similar situation with another girl a while back, she was interested from the word go, I was kinda not-all-there, then a couple of years later I asked one of her friends if she was single, and we got together for what I'd call a short-mid term relationship. I'll look into the fundamental differences, I think maybe there's some clues to be had. Or maybe it was just random lol.
 

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e_i_pi said:
Yeah I haven't really been holding high hopes. Just thought maybe someone here had some idea of a magic solution hehe. I don't really have plans to tell her how I feel, cos I do consider her a good friend anyhow, and it'd be a waste to gamble that away.
yeah man just keep her as a friend. If you consider her a good one then there's no point in ruining that because it would be unfair to her at this point. If you were younger and didn't keep this up so long then yeah I'd say get rid of her.

I'd assume that you never really gave this girl any indication that you wanted to date her from what I can tell. Again, you didn't talk of any kino, kissing, trying to escalate, etc. So moving on to other women is your best option. And hey she may be able to help you out in the future at some point in another one of your relationships.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

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The embers burnt out. You're in the friend zone. I wouldn't get fired up over an old flame any day of the week. If she don't turn up the heat (which ain't gonna happen), don't bother.

Now get another chick and get her number in a blaze of glory!
 

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dunno what you just posted but when i see a post that long my eyes blur over and i just see the word 'ONE-ITIS' in big slimy red letters. fscrew some of her friends, don't answer her calls, do the takeaway style erratic behaviour. This may give you a 10% chance which is the best you'll get outside of a one off pity lay.
 

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'Jeez, do I yearn for the days when she would hop on Messenger, say hi to me, and we’d be chatting for upwards of 6 hours in one go.'

I think I just puked a little bit in my mouth. DO me a favour. punch yourself in the face and then read the DJ Bible or some Carlos Xuma.
 

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They need oxygen to ignite again, blow on it or fan it.
 

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nismo-4 said:
The embers burnt out. You're in the friend zone.
What embers? There never was a fire!

e_i_pi, She was your friend from day one, and still is today. She's not only a friend, but she's using you to arrange music. And to top it all off, she can fvck any guy she wants - and probably is.

Business does not equal romance.
Friendship does not equal romance.

Romance is not the basis of any relationship, it's simply a way to make your existing relationship better.

Do yourself a favor, scroll down to the bottom of the page, click on the link that says "DJ Bible" and READ IT.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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