Help me understand frame better

[Trump]

I fundamentally disagree with this. The reason I disagree with your assertions in the above couple of paragraphs is that I see high value men with high SMV do exactly as they please all the time. The women they date either get on board or get left behind. These are men who can pick and chose who they are going to spend time with and so they do.

OK. “High value” and “high SMV” has to be defined.
What is it?

A surgeon?
A famous actor?
A CEO?
A billionaire?
A tall guy?
A guy with full hair?
A genetically gifted guy?

I can’t debate those terms since they are so arbitrary. They have to specifically defined.

Any man who erodes his frame to supplicate a woman isn't a high value man operating from an abundant mindset. Will a man make some allowances for a worthwhile woman? Of course he will. But he won't do so to the point of pedestalizing a woman, getting his chain jerked around or changing who he is and what he is about.

About 10 years ago there was this foreign movie with a foreign actress who took off clothes and had sex with a famous man star. The girl manipulated the man in the movie but ended up falling in love with him. The girl was a newcomer and young and sexy and she BLEW up. People could not get enough of her. Other actors, famous people, intelligent were all over this girl. The President of the Country wanted to meet her. She was worshipped worshipped worshipped by Powerful Countries. And sosuave members shouldn’t supplicate?

Now to give specific examples isn’t really fair, but still. Good looking young girls who act on screen, manipulate him, have sex, fall in love, get to his emotions get worshipped by COUNTRIES. And sosuave members on their computer are told NOT to?

That is tough.

Last night the BF and I were at a charity event for a Hall of Fame retired NFL player. There were very high value men there as you might imagine. I assure you men like that do as they please with whomever they please. And many of those men have settled into relationships with cool women who augment their lives. But that's the key: The women augment their lives. The women do NOT run their lives. The women are typically respected but not on a pedestal. And the women respect their men and are pleased to augment and have a place in their man's life.

OK now you are talking professional athletes. 6’4, genetically gifted, lucky, and rich.

Sosuave members can’t compete with professional athletes.

Until a man has high enough value he isn't going to have the abundance or the perspective to take or leave a woman. If a man doesn't have high enough value he will tend to put pretty women on a pedestal and supplicate. And this is a slippery slope that ends up in a bad way for a man over time as the woman realizes what she can get away with and loses respect for the guy.

Because of the social circles I run in the men I deal with are high value, high SMV, sought after men. They do not put up with crap from women I assure you but they will make reasonable accommodation for a woman who shows herself to be desirable, attractive, and high value herself. These are men who have strong inner game and strong frame.

Sorry I don’t think strong frame or strong inner game has anything to with it.

My friend applied for a job in the States and got it. He asked The United States Government, the most powerful country in the world, for a work VISA. They said “if you are MARRIED, if you KNOW how to attract the opposite sex and have a girl COMMIT TO YOU, we will give you a work permit in 1 month. If you are NOT married, it will take 6 months or longer.

He and his girlfriend got married next day, he was down there in a week.

Now imagine if he didn’t supplicate, he would have waited 8 months and then they would have told him to go to hell.

But to each his own.

 

[Spaz]

BeExcellent got it right when it comes to men-women frame.

It's not only right, it's the truth from that perspective.

But if you people r gonna attain/acquire frame from that perspective then you'll fail.

Frame is more then just high value, it's everything a man is.

Every man here has frame. Is it brittle and easily broken? Is it enduring and strengthens over time? Is it malevolent, selfish and cruel?

Many men mask their frames so well to project a worldview audience of someone else like a con-artist selling their con, usually portraying "good/smart/moneyed" image. But it leaks out when people closest to you sees you for who u r.

Learning frame starts off from when u r a boy growing into a man and from a young man into a manly man. It will take time, no short cuts.

 

[BeExcellent]

OK. “High value” and “high SMV” has to be defined.
What is it?

A surgeon?
A famous actor?
A CEO?
A billionaire?
A tall guy?
A guy with full hair?
A genetically gifted guy?

I can’t debate those terms since they are so arbitrary. They have to specifically defined.

Here is the paradox @Trump and that is there is NO SET DEFINITION of high value and high SMV. It's subjective ultimately, especially when you associate with people who have accomplished enough in life that they have entry into social circles with other very accomplished people.

So in reference to your list above? The answer could be all of those descriptions, or some of those descriptions, or none of those descriptions. IT DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL MAN and his COMPOSITE in who he is, HOW HE EXISTS in the world and how he perceives himself in the context of his life and how he interacts with those he comes in contact with.

 

[BeExcellent]

BeExcellent got it right when it comes to men-women frame.

It's not only right, it's the truth from that perspective.

But if you people r gonna attain/acquire frame from that perspective then you'll fail.

Frame is more then just high value, it's everything a man is.

Every man here has frame. Is it brittle and easily broken? Is it enduring and strengthens over time? Is it malevolent, selfish and cruel?

Many men mask their frames so well to project a worldview audience of someone else like a con-artist selling their con, usually portraying "good/smart/moneyed" image. But it leaks out when people closest to you sees you for who u r.

Learning frame starts off from when u r a boy growing into a man and from a young man into a manly man. It will take time, no short cuts.

Thanks. My father was John Wayne personified. I never saw him lose frame. Ever. Not with anyone, and not with any woman.

Not his mother, not his daughters and not his wives (he had 3.) He was a man who required a woman in his life to do woman stuff...because he was busy doing man stuff. Old school, God rest his soul. I miss him.

 

[Spaz]

Thanks. My father was John Wayne personified. I never saw him lose frame. Ever. Not with anyone, and not with any woman.

Not his mother, not his daughters and not his wives (he had 3.) He was a man who required a woman in his life to do woman stuff...because he was busy doing man stuff. Old school, God rest his soul. I miss him.

A man like ur father has inadvertently set high standards for his daughters in what they see in a man.

To a manly man, a women raised by another manly man is viewed as not weak but his equal. The feminine is actually equal to the masculine. The level of a women's femininity will ultimately correspond with the level of masculinity in her sphere. This is what many modern men don't understand and they start blaming women in general.