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Help me not be such a Beta, get my stuff back, and maintain NC

...orthegirlgetsit!

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I found these forums after a girl recently cut me loose. It has opened my eyes and now I want to change. Here is my back story. Tell me where to go from here.

I was introduced by a mutual acquaintance to a girl at work and we hit it off, and I got her number. Waited a couple days and sent her a text. Chatted a little and ultimately ask her out for drinks. Things went well when we met up, there was lots of initial chemistry. The date ended up going on for four hours, she admitted to ignoring the new dog she got that day to stay out with me, and even gave me access to her Netflix account because she wanted me to watch House of Cards. We hugged and parted ways at the end of the night.

After this she starts texting me daily and so from time to time I initiate the conversation. We agree to a second date and I even pay her a visit at work.

Time for the second date comes around. I've planned a hike, where I'll bring along some food, since hiking is a shared interest of ours and we can incorporate her new dog. Weather forces us to change our plans. She had mentioned wanting to visit a local distillery so we do that instead. I pick her up and show up with a cheap toy for the new dog. We go out, have a couple drinks, some snacks, and talk for awhile. I had mentioned a quick walk with the dog and dinner after thinking the distillery would be a short date. I was wrong and the date drug out all day. She wanted to walk three miles and then dinner happened very late. Afterwards, she invited me back to her hot tub and of course I accept. We talk more, but every time I move in she moves away. The night ends 11 hours after we started and all I get is a very long hug.

We keep texting and now she wants to tell me about her anxiety issues, depression, and how guys have used her in the past and even acknowledges how unattractive all of this is. She also wants to make plans to do things with me well over a month in advance.

I stop by and see her again at work, and make spontaneous plans to go a panaderia after work since she is new to the area and doesn't know where to find authentic Mexican food. We stay an hour. More good conversation.

At some point she had offered to take me to the airport before an upcoming trip since her mother is flying in the same day. I initially refused, but she brought it up again and I agree, but I know that she is moving apartments so I conditionally agree saying I'll help move in exchange. Plus it gives me one last chance to see her before my trip.

I show up late in the move, but do help out some. Her cousins were there and did most of the work. The plan was to drink, have pizza, and play games after. I brought some booze, guacamole, and brownies. While meeting her cousins one of them invites me to dinner with them all two days later. Not knowing what to do I accept. We play games, cousins leave, I make out with her on the couch and finger her to orgasm. She offers to let me stay in her junky apartment and I foolishly say no.

The 4th was the next day. We each do our own thing, but I contact her and we talk some. Then dinner the next day. A little awkward, but I make it through. She was trying to find a vacuum but didn't find one she liked and she tries to borrow from her cousin, but hers is broken, so I volunteer mine. We get the vacuum, go to her place, and she starts drawing attention to her chest. We start to make out, I get her top off, and move to the bedroom. Once on the bed she stops me talking about how guys used her in the past. I stop, we talk, I agree to wait. She ask me if I'm seeing anyone else and foolishly I say no. She ask me to stay the night and we curl up and pass out.

I go home and my freak out begins. I start texting to show I'm interested in her and not just sex. She is very slow to respond. I keep initiating conversations and she keeps responding right before bed. I know things are bad, but I'm becoming needy and insecure. Needless to say I get a text 12 hours before she is supposed to take me to the airport saying she didn't see me as more than a friend and that we shouldn't date, but the ride is still available if I need it.

I don't respond and have been NC since, but eventually I need my vacuum back. What is my move? How do I make myself a better man?
 

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...orthegirlgetsit! said:
I found these forums after a girl recently cut me loose. It has opened my eyes and now I want to change. Here is my back story. Tell me where to go from here.

I was introduced by a mutual acquaintance to a girl at work and we hit it off, and I got her number. Waited a couple days and sent her a text. Chatted a little and ultimately ask her out for drinks. Things went well when we met up, there was lots of initial chemistry. The date ended up going on for four hours, she admitted to ignoring the new dog she got that day to stay out with me, and even gave me access to her Netflix account because she wanted me to watch House of Cards. We hugged and parted ways at the end of the night.
Did you try and kiss her?

After this she starts texting me daily and so from time to time I initiate the conversation. We agree to a second date and I even pay her a visit at work.

Time for the second date comes around. I've planned a hike, where I'll bring along some food, since hiking is a shared interest of ours and we can incorporate her new dog. Weather forces us to change our plans. She had mentioned wanting to visit a local distillery so we do that instead. I pick her up and show up with a cheap toy for the new dog. We go out, have a couple drinks, some snacks, and talk for awhile. I had mentioned a quick walk with the dog and dinner after thinking the distillery would be a short date. I was wrong and the date drug out all day. She wanted to walk three miles and then dinner happened very late. Afterwards, she invited me back to her hot tub and of course I accept. We talk more, but every time I move in she moves away. The night ends 11 hours after we started and all I get is a very long hug. Buying her dog a toy after one date? 11 hours is way too long for a second date unless you are fvcking her for those 11 hours ;) The date should be controlled by you and end on your terms, preferably at the high point of the date to leave her wanting more.

We keep texting and now she wants to tell me about her anxiety issues, depression, and how guys have used her in the past and even acknowledges how unattractive all of this is. She also wants to make plans to do things with me well over a month in advance.

I stop by and see her again at work, and make spontaneous plans to go a panaderia after work since she is new to the area and doesn't know where to find authentic Mexican food. We stay an hour. More good conversation.

At some point she had offered to take me to the airport before an upcoming trip since her mother is flying in the same day. I initially refused, but she brought it up again and I agree, but I know that she is moving apartments so I conditionally agree saying I'll help move in exchange. Plus it gives me one last chance to see her before my trip.Too nice..you shouldn't be helping her move apartments, you haven't even fvcked her..even if you had I still wouldn't go help her

I show up late in the move, but do help out some. Her cousins were there and did most of the work. The plan was to drink, have pizza, and play games after. I brought some booze, guacamole, and brownies. While meeting her cousins one of them invites me to dinner with them all two days later. Not knowing what to do I accept. We play games, cousins leave, I make out with her on the couch and finger her to orgasm. She offers to let me stay in her junky apartment and I foolishly say no.

The 4th was the next day. We each do our own thing, but I contact her and we talk some. Then dinner the next day. A little awkward, but I make it through. She was trying to find a vacuum but didn't find one she liked and she tries to borrow from her cousin, but hers is broken, so I volunteer mine. We get the vacuum, go to her place, and she starts drawing attention to her chest. We start to make out, I get her top off, and move to the bedroom. Once on the bed she stops me talking about how guys used her in the past. I stop, we talk, I agree to wait. She ask me if I'm seeing anyone else and foolishly I say no. She ask me to stay the night and we curl up and pass out.
She basically told you from the start that she responds to *******s/jerks. You were too available, too nice and not sexual enough

I go home and my freak out begins. I start texting to show I'm interested in her and not just sex. She is very slow to respond. I keep initiating conversations and she keeps responding right before bed. I know things are bad, but I'm becoming needy and insecure. Needless to say I get a text 12 hours before she is supposed to take me to the airport saying she didn't see me as more than a friend and that we shouldn't date, but the ride is still available if I need it.

I don't respond and have been NC since, but eventually I need my vacuum back. What is my move? How do I make myself a better man?
Good on you for having the balls to go NC. Just don't break it.
 

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Didn't try and kiss her on date one, but I should have considering how it went. After reading the forums here and the year one stuff over at therationalmale I sort of came to the same conclusion. I need to working not being so nice. Thanks.
 

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...orthegirlgetsit! said:
Didn't try and kiss her on date one, but I should have considering how it went. After reading the forums here and the year one stuff over at therationalmale I sort of came to the same conclusion. I need to working not being so nice. Thanks.
Have you read the things on escalation?? It can build or kill attraction. And you just killed it. Girls nowadays expect at least a kiss on the first date.
 

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I almost feel bad for you. I could see it coming from a mile away. You gave to learn to escalate sexually. You were in lots of prime positions to do that but you failed. The hot tub, the fingering session, the bedroom.

When a girl says no, pull back a bit and escalate in a few more seconds. If she's still pulling back and saying no after a few times of escalating. You pack up and leave. Delete her number and never contact her again. Her hamster will spin itself to death trying to contact you.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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The guys use me for sex is a combo of **** test and anti slut defense and you failed. After you said of course this isn't just about sex you should have whipped your **** out and had her give you a bj. How repulsed she must have been when you just agreed to be all castrated for her and show you don't need sex. I would reinitiate contact and tease her friends with benefits would be good. See her again and escelate the **** out of her. Go for sex and be aggressive. Read chateau heartiste blog too. Take that ***** off the pedestal
 

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Thanks for all the advice. I'll check out the stuff on escalation.

You really think if I press her for sex I'm better off than sticking with no contact? (What do I stand to lose I guess?) I do have to get my stuff back so the opportunity exist to do it, but what's the best way to go about it? Go to her place to get my stuff and then start pressing hard?
 

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Don't appear to eager. Don't appear as if you like her so much - you're not easily impressed, so she needs to feel as if she has to do a lot more than just show up in order to be worthy of your time. Do not appear as if you lack other options - this makes you seem like you're just settling for her, and girls want to feel like you're desired by other women because, when you pick her, it'll make her feel more accomplished. If she doesn't feel like you're desired by other women, she doesn't view you as high-value and you don't make her feel special. Be less available. Spread dates out 5 days apart. Don't text her so frequently - only to set up dates. When she texts, take hours to reply back unless it's an emergency.

About the vacuum, just text her as if everything is all good until you get it back, then never speak to her again. Or you can keep her as a friend, but implement the above rules for your next plates.
 

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Definitely stop being so giving and so nice. You think you're earning brownie points, but you're just getting yourself in the Friend Zone. Been there, done that. Go veeeerrrryy slowly at first. Feel her out. How possible is it that you can both get sexual? Playful? Is she up for having fun? What's her deal, is she damaged goods? Is she cold with you and wants your car for a week? You just don't know, so there's no reason for you to have 11 hr dates and help her do anything. What are you getting in return? All these points should e crossing your mind. A lot of cute girls use nice guys all day long. It's child's play for them.

Next time put her through some of your tests and she if she's worth pursuing. And if she asks for shıt (don't offer!) then you make yourself busy. Later on, if things develop after you bang her (if you get to), then you can do more for her, why not. But until then, like the others said, bounce when shıt ain't going your way and avoid yourself some frustration and heartache.

Oh, and go get your vacuum back. Tell her you'll be by at XX:XX on XXXday to pick it up. Get there, be friendly, grab it, and leave. 10 minutes tops. If she texts you weird shıt or anything else that day, just ignore it. You owe her zero explanations. You're a busy kinda dude, remember? Let her hamster spin and let her feel as if she lost your ass. If she is persistent, you owe her a marvelously hard bang, you're in. If not, she doesn't give a shıt and found herself another orbiting peon. Drop her like a warm turd.
 

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Go to her place at night when you think it's a good time for sex. Like maybe text her tonight coming over to get my vacuum. Then go in there and like push her against the wall and start getting fresh. Then if she brings up the vacuum just say you're busy and keep getting fresh. Reach for between her legs and rub. Yes try to have sex. Then at the end of the night when you're leaving just leave the vacuum there if you don't need it back yet. If she mentions the vacuum as you leave say you'll come back and get it haha.
 

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VladPatton said:
Oh, and go get your vacuum back. Tell her you'll be by at XX:XX on XXXday to pick it up. Get there, be friendly, grab it, and leave. 10 minutes tops. If she texts you weird shıt or anything else that day, just ignore it. You owe her zero explanations. You're a busy kinda dude, remember? Let her hamster spin and let her feel as if she lost your ass. If she is persistent, you owe her a marvelously hard bang, you're in. If not, she doesn't give a shıt and found herself another orbiting peon. Drop her like a warm turd.
Conventional wisdom says do this, but I like the ballsiness of trying to bang her. If I go in strong I address the failure to escalate and lack of confidence issue, but having it play out the right way seems like a large gamble. Be nice, nonchalant, and go NC is definitely the safer option.
 

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Funny OP there, hope you guys know this is a troll. No offense, but the advice here is worse than his troll story.
 

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I wish this was an attempt at trolling and I wasn't actually this inept, but I think I got the advice I need.
 

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...orthegirlgetsit! said:
Update: Got home from the airport to find my stuff at the door. I guess that's that. Time to maintain NC.
No. Time to ERASE AND REPLACE.
 
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