"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Hello all first time poster here. I tried searching for similar threads but with my limited human powers I couldn't really find anything to help myself with. Anyways....

Me and my gf are 19 and we have been together for about 1 year and a half. I seriously care about her and so does she, and we're both virgins. I'm wondering what's the best way to ask her to have sex with me without her saying "NO"?

Do i just ask her strait up or get her in the mood first?
Should I talk to her about it before i actually ask her?
Any other advice to make sure she doesn't say "NO"?

I'm pretty sure she'll be worried about getting pregnant, and I'm worried to but i believe in rubber, although her fears of getting pregnant will probably have her paranoid even if we're using protection.

And if it helps at all, she's the honest, shy, innocent as they come type. I was her first kiss, and the first to give her an orgasm via finger rubbing **** method.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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why do people say v-card? just say virginity.
 

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I'm wondering what's the best way to ask her to have sex with me without her saying "NO"?

I second the advice of "don't ask." Logic will get you nowhere. Actions speak louder than words. Turn her on until she loses control. She wants it as badly as you.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
I'm wondering what's the best way to ask her to have sex with me without her saying "NO"?

I second the advice of "don't ask." Logic will get you nowhere. Actions speak louder than words. Turn her on until she loses control. She wants it as badly as you.

would it hurt or maybe be a good thing to tell her that i have my man urges of wanting to have sex with her maybe a week or two before i actually make my move? I would imagine my gf getting defensive if i tried to take off her pants even when she's getting hot and wet.
 

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Don't ask. Don't tell. Do.

If you have any more questions, read that advice over and over. What you want to do is the simplest thing in the world. You're overcomplicating the situation; meanwhile, your girlfriend is also feeling awkward about how to get you in the sack. No doubt she wants spice in her life too. We aren't the only people who think about sex.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I was her first kiss, and the first to give her an orgasm via finger rubbing **** method.

I would imagine my gf getting defensive if i tried to take off her pants even when she's getting hot and wet.

So you made her cvm without getting her pants off? Good job there. If she says anything, tell her she can leave her underwear on. Use reverse psychology and tell her that you are not going to have sex with her. After a lot of other foreplay, do whatever you did before to make her cvm, but pull back before she actually does. Now is the time that her defenses will be the weakest. This is not exactly nice on your part, but all is fair in love and war.

Don't ever ask anything like "will you have sex with me?" The question backfires in that she feels like a slvt because you are asking. When the time is right, your "request" should be more of a statement. "There's a condom in the drawer" or "You want this." If she does not want it, she will stop you or say no. If she does nothing, that is as good as "yes." If she stops you, here is the most difficult part, you have to act like it is no big deal. She is the one missing out, not you. Don't show any resentment or whine. Hug her, hold her, whatever.... for about ten minutes until you start the process over and try to do a better job of turning her on so much that her defenses fail.
 

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Roofies my friend or a nice giant brick...


Truthfully, go down on her...they love that and we be all yours afterwards :up:
 

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they been together a year and a half.....and she wont let him take her pants off????

this girl has you WHIPPED boyyy.

YOU ARE 19, DATING FOR 18 MONTHS AND SHE WONT LET YOU TAKE HER PANTS OFF?????????

im sorry, but u should condition her like a ****in puppy and take some control in the relationship, cuz right now you are the little AFC and she's the little prude.

I do not see how you have relationship FOR 18 MONTHS AND NOT TAKE HER PANTS OFF YET

YOU ARE A MAN RIGHT??? YOUR 18+ so legally you are a man!!!

****in TAKE ACTION.

oh, here is the best tip for you - get her a lil drunk and her worries about pregnancy will go away :)
 

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Jesus Christ, 18 months DATING and no sex? Holy ****.....

I honestly don't know what to say.... like... have you guys done anything?

Please say she sucks your **** at least? Then it gives a moving point... but if you've only done cloths on ****, you're screwed.... destined to be a virgin till you're married hahaha.
 

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not just no sex....but he said she'd object if he tried getting into her pants.

you know what this means?? it means he THINKS she would object, which means he most likely hasnt even TRIED to get into her pants. (since he is assuming she wont let him take her pants off as opposed to KNOWING she wont let him take her pants off)


this is pathetic........to date a girl, only ONE girl so long, and to not do anything sexually - you should read old posts by Player_Supreme
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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the rest of his life....hes 19 now, so obv Freshman year of college hasnt changed anything lol

maybe they are religious - in which case the ****edupness of this is understandable, as heavily religious people are nuts in my mind and they do not function normally up there in their heads
 

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Bible_Belt said:
I was her first kiss, and the first to give her an orgasm via finger rubbing **** method.

I would imagine my gf getting defensive if i tried to take off her pants even when she's getting hot and wet.

So you made her cvm without getting her pants off? Good job there. If she says anything, tell her she can leave her underwear on. Use reverse psychology and tell her that you are not going to have sex with her. After a lot of other foreplay, do whatever you did before to make her cvm, but pull back before she actually does. Now is the time that her defenses will be the weakest. This is not exactly nice on your part, but all is fair in love and war.

Don't ever ask anything like "will you have sex with me?" The question backfires in that she feels like a slvt because you are asking. When the time is right, your "request" should be more of a statement. "There's a condom in the drawer" or "You want this." If she does not want it, she will stop you or say no. If she does nothing, that is as good as "yes." If she stops you, here is the most difficult part, you have to act like it is no big deal. She is the one missing out, not you. Don't show any resentment or whine. Hug her, hold her, whatever.... for about ten minutes until you start the process over and try to do a better job of turning her on so much that her defenses fail.
My gf and I are not religous, I guess we're just really innocent :confused:?? I have gotten her completely naked in bed before and i was surprised i was able to, but then she's never gave me head =(. She thinks it's gross and I didn't wanna be a jerk and force her to do it. Maybe i'm wrong? Anyhow..

" "There's a condom in the drawer" or "You want this." "

I wanna make sure that i have a good approach when i get her to agree and not feel like i'm raping her. What other approaches besides the ones bible belt mentioned above would work?
 

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Say those things with a sly smile, btw. Stare into her eyes and wait for her to nod if you need approval. The first one to speak loses.

You need to do some serious work on this girl or go find a different one. You are meeting her needs of companionship, why should she not meet your sexual needs? Your relationship is not on equal footing. She gets what she wants, but you don't get what you want. Even worse, this will never change until you do something about it. Why should you tolerate a life without sex? Other women will give you sex if this girl won't.
 

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first ask for the sex...if she says no, continue to ask..if she continues for no then go find some chlorofome, put over her mouth. go at it! :rolleyes:
 

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i once fcuked a 9.5/10 by tryin to get into her pants like 50 times in a span of an hour (not in a desperate way, but in a "i want u baby" way), and on #31 she gave in and moaned with pleasure - its called Anti Slut Defense, and Persistance is called the Anti Slut Defense DESTROYER
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Now i'm confused about what to do if she says or gestures NO. Should i keep persisting as Skip2mylou says, or should i just act as if "it wasn't a big deal" that we wern't able to have sex as biblebelt says?
 

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Skip how'd you try 50 times if you got in on #31 :confused: and how the fuk did you remember it was #31??? :)
 

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i originally typed 30 then changed it to 50...but basically i kept trying like every single minute and she kept rejecting and it just went on and on and on and i did NOT act like it bothered me at all - i just pretended i didnt get rejected a minute ago and kept goin at it as if nothing had happened

she had a major anti slut defense tho
 

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I tried and i failed =(

I turned her on to the point where she was moaning like crazy, but right when i said

"I wanna have sex" *5 seconds of silence* "i have a condom in the drawer and everything will be alright, ok?"

She immediately took my hand out of her pants, and turned away from me and started it seemed like she didn't want to look at me. I asked her later why she didn't want to do it, and she said that she wasn't ready for sex, and that it was against her morals to have sex right now.


*sigh....*
 

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odjn said:
My gf and I are not religous, I guess we're just really innocent :confused:?? I have gotten her completely naked in bed before and i was surprised i was able to.
Sounds like youve had your chance, and guess what you blew it.

odjn said:
I wanna make sure that i have a good approach when i get her to agree and not feel like i'm raping her. What other approaches besides the ones bible belt mentioned above would work?
Get her naked again, get her to the point when shes moaning like hell-dont ask, dont tell, dont say nothing just spontanieousley stick your **** in there. if she isnt ready,then she just inst ready, but for christs sakes take control.

By the way, just to confuse you sex changes everything, epecially the first time, tread carefully.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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