JaguarMike
Don Juan
how about you just smack her
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Sounds like my soon to be ex.Originally posted by Pimp-sicle
SO TRUE!!!! In the beginning she was soooo sweet, sooo incredibly sexy, and so much fun!! Everything I ever wanted in a gf and more!! Bought me expensive gifts, called me everday to say she was thinking about me, loved me, missed me. Wrote me long love notes telling me she knew I was her husband to be!! :woo: Then the demon veiled its ugly face!! We started fighting a lot. My exgf never raged at me much (until the end) but she had this way of talking down to me, to make me feel like shiat and then always lie.
Your girl doesn't have her fish hook deep into yet, so your perfect. And don't be so naive about the cheating and lying!! All bp's do it, its just a matter of figuring it out bro.
PIMP
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Actually, I don't think it's the wrong place at all. Perhaps it would be if there weren't several people with first hand experience dealing with people with BPD. And frankly...unless you've actually been in a romantic relationship with someone with BPD you can't even begin to imagine just how horrible it is. A person cannot be involved with someone with BPD and walk away from it without being affected in a very bad way. This isn't just depression or anxiety...it is a personality disorder that is centered around the person's relationships with others and those others get sucked into the BPD's "crazy-making". If he stays with this girl he will feel and act crazy himself. That is why those of us who have experience are being so forceful in our advice to get out now before he is damaged. It takes a long time to recover from a LTR with a BPD. And the longer you are with them the less likely the BPD will ever be able to "let go" of you. This is what I face with my ex husband. I left him in 1994 and he is STILL obsessed with getting even, punishing me, sick and twisted attempts to force me to take him back, guilt, etc. It is NOT pleasant to contend with. After he was arrested for assaulting our son and he got out on bail I couldn't sleep because I seriously believed he was capable of coming here and killing my children and I or setting our home on fire. This is NOT a game...it's his very sanity, health and possibly his life. We are trying to HELP him because we KNOW what he's gotten himself into. Unfortunately...he doesn't understand what that is quite yet. Please...no one should encourage him to stay with this girl...especially if you don't have a complete and full understanding of what people with this disorder are capable of.Originally posted by MacDiddy
Kourt: I think this forum is the wrong place to be getting advice on support for your GF's disorder and your relationship with her. You just won't get a sympathetic ear to what your going through...
Everyone here is looking out for number 1, and they are all geared up to find and seek greener pastures because this is what this web site is about... empowering us men to seek what we want... And we all want the good stuff.
The person you are looking out for must be yourself... and if being with this chick and putting up with her $hit means you get pu$$y then thats the cost to you...
Most of us on the other hand would have been making plans to bail, the moment that red flag went up...
hahahaOriginally posted by JaguarMike
how about you just smack her
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Originally posted by penguin
I'll go against the general advice and say give it a go. Everyone here can tell you how BPD is bad, and it is, but nothing teaches you like experience does.
If you run now, you'll only face the same problem when you meet another BPD. If you go on this crazy ride, however, you'll learn. You'll then KNOW how bad it really is.
I see the points in both ways... You can have reasons for giving it a good go (as mentioned above) or running from it (which is perfectly fine, no-one likes the kind of torture a BPD will put you through).
I'd just like you to know that if you decide to ignore the general advice on this thread, that you are in for one nasty ride.
Originally posted by Kourt
Alright, well while I see your point guys, I cant be so cold as to let go and cut things off without having a solid reason to do so. She knows how important trust is to me, if she starts abusing it, shes gone. She knows fidelity is only second to trust, and if she cheats on me, even once, shes gone. This girl is my first love, I feel that I should at least stick it out until she gives me a reason to break up with her. Is that so unreasonable?
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You should read this:Some men seem to be attracted to this woman because she appears to need rescuing. But a relationship is based on who you are, not what you can do for the other person. If you're the kind of person who gets all mushy at a girl's sad story you will always find yourself in the role of the horny dwarf because no one has ever been able to fix another person's life, ever.
A girl I saw off and on for 2 years took some online personality disorder test one time and scored "very high" on borderline personality disorder. I didn't take it very seriously at the time. But going over that checklist of symptoms, the ones I bolded pervaded our relationship.Originally posted by Wyldfire
Wow...ironic that this is the first post I read after being gone for awhile. On top of that, I've been away in part because of a situation with my ex husband who happens to have BPD. He assaulted our 14 year old son and landed in jail. We've had court hearings, meetings and related issues out the wazoo.
I'm an expert on BPD. I was married for 10 years to someone who has it. Here's what you can expect:
Feeling like you are always walking on egg shells.
Frequent threats and some attempts at suicide.
Self-mutiliation...I bet she cuts herself, too, doesn't she?
One minute she'll love you and the next she'll hate you.
She will emotionally, verbally and possibly physically abuse you.
Lord forbid you have any children with her because she will treat them the same way.
Her moods will change more than you can keep track of.
She will alienate all of your family and friends to the point where they won't want to be around you because of her.
She won't be able to keep friends, so she will look to you as her only source of support...and you'll also be her main victim of abuse.
She is likely to develop alcohol and drug problems.
She will suck the very life right out of you.
People with BPD can't have healthy, normal relationships with people. They can improve with medication and something called dialectal therapy (sp?) IF they actually stay in treatment. Therapist find that people with BPD are the most difficult patients to deal with because of how toxic they tend to be.
If any of what I mentioned sounds familiar to you and you've already been experiencing any of it...it won't get better with time. My advice would be to end your relationship with her. A lot of people have psychological problems, and most can still have good relationships. BPD is a whole other monster entirely. Ending the relationship will be tricky, though. If that's what you do, you'll want her to end it otherwise she'll be bitter and angry with you until some other guy comes along and becomes her new victim. And no, she can't help it, but that doesn't mean that you should expose yourself to what this disease does to those close to the people who have it.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.