"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Help, DJ brothers?

LinkinParkROX

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So I've become more or less a Don Juan since I first joined SoSuave 3 years ago. I've had my fair share of women and can quite possibly have any one I want. I especially use Anti-Dump's Machine on all my conquests. It really does help.

Lately though, I've grown attached to a woman I speak to quite often – just not in person. Texts, Facebook, Skype. She's a virgin, never kissed a man before, doesn't even know what attraction feels like. Now, I know she's into me because all her facebook/twitter statuses are about us. She even directly told me that a majority of her tweets are about me. Tweets like "I wait and wait for you to make me smile everyday. Can't wait to talk to you tonight, my hero!" Also, all her tweets are about relationships and boyfriends and girlfriends. Moreover, if she can't reach me on facebook, she texts me on my phone. All the IOIs are there.

The thing is, I feel like a total failure. I feel like I'm friendzoned. After ALL the women I've bedded, after ALL the techniques/strategies/guides I've followed, after developing SOLID INNER GAME and becoming the alpha, none of it works with this woman. In terms of success, I'm quite successful. I've got a good job, I don't mean to sound proud, but I'm loaded, and everyone wishes they were me. I'm not trying to look cool here, this is a fact. People recognise me in public places when I go out. My job involves a lot of media exposure. I'm a bit of a celebrity where I live. In spite of this, I can't seem to close this girl! I've tried and succeeded with others, but not this one!

We see each other every week because we go to the same weekly parties with about 100 people, but I've been on 1 "date" with her that she doesn't think of as a date because she's never been on one. I kino'd her but couldn't escalate because I've never dealt with a virgin before and she wasn't too receptive and reciprocal. She comes from a conservative background. I'm pretty sure I'm friendzoned. The course of action I plan on taking that I've learned from the years I've been DJing is to cut contact with her and basically next her. I mean, we rarely ever go out anyway. I'll still see her at every weekend party every friday night, though. If the closest we'll ever get to kino and real dates are video chats on Skype, what's the point? It's unhealthy and unnecessary attraction for both of us and the best thing to do seems, at this point, to be to end things.

This has been especially hard today, as day 1 of no contact. She has messaged me dozens of times on facebook today asking where I am, if I'll make her day, and sent me cute videos. Since I didn't respond, she texted me on my phone asking if I was busy. I NC'd again, and had her finally message me saying "I guess my day won't get made today. I hope you had a good day! :) I actually had a lot I wanted to talk to you about. But oh well, tomorrow night I suppose!" To which I still didn't reply. For some background, we've been video chatting on Skype for upwards of 4 hours almost every day for the past 2 or more weeks. I'm totally friendzoned. With one-itis. This sucks.

Which brings me to the actual problem: I want this girl. I want her bad. I mean, attractive virgin. Not a 10, but that doesn't matter that much to me. I don't know what course of action to take from here. The way I see it, I could either:

  1. NC her until we're strangers/burn the bridge.
  2. Message her saying I'll be really busy for the near future and unable to talk.
  3. Talk to her only at the weekly parties and escalate kino upto a k-close and take it from there.
  4. Tell her the amount of time I spend with her is not normal among friends, but instead is something I reserve only for girlfriends. Friends don't spend >4 hours on Skype. If she wants a friend, she'll get a friend. After which I'd walk away like a boss. If she stops me, I k-close her without a word. I think this might work. Thoughts?
Do y'all see other ways I can handle this? What would you guys do? Help!
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Kbomb

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She learned very well from her mother how to get a man. This woman is very disciplined and wants a ring. She is playing you, by playing the image of the perfect woman. You need to step away and hard. She is an illusion in the desert and your projecting your own fantasies onto her. She is not who you think she is. You begin that journey of discovery by having sex. That is the first step to finding out what she is really like. It would not surprise me if she just laid there like a dead fish, and it wouldn't be from lack of experience.
 

LinkinParkROX

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Kbomb said:
You need to step away and hard. She is an illusion in the desert and your projecting your own fantasies onto her. She is not who you think she is. You begin that journey of discovery by having sex. That is the first step to finding out what she is really like. It would not surprise me if she just laid there like a dead fish, and it wouldn't be from lack of experience.
By step away and hard, you mean just cut contact?

Fly By Night said:
I don't understand. If you are as good as you say you are, you would not have let this happen...
I slipped. I've had many women, yes, but I've never had a virgin. She wasn't very receptive or reciprocate, which threw me off. Also knowing her super-conservative upbringing and background worked against me. I did some basic kino, but couldn't escalate. This was a huge screw up on my part.
 

d!ckmojo

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Oh... what? Dude... I'm confused.

NC is for breakups. Its not for.. whatever this is!

I don't even know, how hard are you trying to make it out to be? You just isolate, escalate and f-close.

Seriously, its the most easy thing in the world. Just read this post: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=200133

And DO IT.

Don't be a fvcking pvssy.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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