"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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HBs picked up on my "flaw" before I did?

The LadyKiller

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I've made some posts in the past about how when things don't work out with a HB, I always ask why. While I'm far from perfect, I don't possess any obvious turn-offs that would make some HBs act strange. But today, somehow, I figured it out. And I have a feeling those HBs saw it long before I did.

One of my closest friends says that I am misunderstood by some, that those people see my joking and ball-busting as a sign of hostility when in actuality it means they're in my good graces. Another one of my friends says that if I start off well with a girl (usually by being outgoing and attempting humor), I will stick to the same script with them because "it works." Eventually it gets old and things fade out. While my two friends don't know of any obvious "flaw," their opinions carry some merit.

So, what is this "flaw" that I feel my friends sense and that HBs might have identified? I am secretly afraid to let people in, and will use my outgoing personality and humor as a defense mechanism. When I was young, I was taught to never let people see you look upset, never show that somebody got to you. While I joke with friends anyway, sometimes I'll overdo it and make it a "go-to move" when conflict arises to diffuse a situation (instead of trying to talk things through). In other situations, I will say the "right thing" to avoid going into how I really feel about things.

I feel that if people see me down and out, they will run away. Like shadows, these people would disappear when the sun sets (mostly HBs). While I am in no way "fake" - I don't go against my values or try to be someone I'm not - I don't feel as comfortable being 100% with everybody because I have been hurt by people in the past.

I feel better now that I was able to write it out. While I've lived my life and read on this forum that it's good to act like nothing HBs (or other people) can do will break your stride. But perhaps it's finally caught up to me and that others have caught on. My question for you - is there any way I can open up to HBs without giving everything away and still be seen as a catch? I'm not completely sure that this is what the HBs have seen, but it makes a lot of sense.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Stugots26

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This sounds like excuse and rationalization for low interest, declining interest, or not being able to move you off center.

A lot of HBs are fvcking addicted to drama. If they can't get you to respond, or if you swear off the drama by maintaining a drama-free life, some may become so frustrated (or hurt) by their inabilities to be that one special snowflake (or golden uterus) who can move you off center. The fact that you placed yourself on the pedestal and aren't willing to even consider abdicating it for one of them under any circumstances upsets the most insecure, crazy, selfish, and drama-seeking little girls such that they have to run away. Let them.
 
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TheCWord

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I have the same problem.

Also, I'm not sure if it's a problem? It's not like I'm putting on an act. I am naturally sarcastic. I like relationships where the girl and I can make fun of each other constantly. If she can't keep up, maybe I'm not the problem.

Or maybe I am.
 

The Duke

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wow Stugots, ease up! The guy labeled it as a "FLAW" in the headline and came right out and asked for help.

I always liked this quote by Covey:
Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply
 

jurry

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Theres a difference between being that sarcastic ballbusting guy at the outset - which is probably pretty helpful with attracting women - and having that be your entire personality.

If you NEVER deviate from that act youre putting on yea people will get bored of it because you and them both know it is your way of concealing your true self. In order to actually connect and grow with other human beings you have to be willing to be honest and vulnerable and let your guard down.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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VladPatton

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I agree with Stugots. I see nothing you did wrong. If anything, tone down the ball busting for some people you don't know very well. Do you really wanna cry on everyone's shoulder that you meet? Hell no. Carry on, man, and stop caring what everyone thinks, like Espi mentioned.
 

Stugots26

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It's not a flaw. He's got the right frame.

And I agree with Espi: others' opinions of you are NONE of your business.
 
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