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HB8 texts me but rejects my invitations

johnnynh

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Hi,

Friends

First, I want to apologize because I am not a native English speaker. I met this HB8 in a party, she is 24 years old, pretty and has a strong personality. I think our fist date was great although I could not kiss her because her mother called her two hours later and the HB8 had to leave. Nevertheless, she texted me 2 hours after leaving me, she wanted to know if I had arrived to home because of the terrible traffic of that day. I did not answer her text.

I called her three days after our first date, and I invited her to go out. She said she was busy on Sunday because she had to visit some parents, it was just an excuse. Then I call her again but after a week of my last call, again we were talking and laughing but when I invited her to go out, she just gave me another excuse.

Well, I decided not to call her again, but she has texted me at three nights in the last week, and always with simple sentences: “How are you, Johnny?” or phrases like that. I answered them in a simple way, I am fine, so busy with job, doing whatever..., going to the movie… etc.

The thing is I want to ask her to go out, but I don’t want she rejects me again. This situation happened to me with a HB9 last year, good first date, she texting me but rejecting my invitations to go out.

I really need your opinion and advices, my friends. Thanks.

Johnny
 

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Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

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You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

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ARrocket

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Hey Johnny, welcome to the forums.

Sounds like you've played this correctly thus far. There could be a variety of reasons why she isn't accepting your offers, despite her texting you often. A rule of thumb you'll hear a lot around here is judge a woman by her actions, not her words.

That said, I personally believe that spending time trying to analyze what is going wrong is just an exercise in mental masturbation. She knows best, you know second best, and the rest of us are just speculating. Unless there are details you are leaving out (did the date REALLY go well? Did something bad happen? Did something bad happen via text or on the phone?), it's difficult to pinpoint the problem.

I'd go silent on her for another week or so, and then try again. If she again refuses, you'll know to move on.

In general, I hope you're keeping your options open and dating/pursuing other woman as well (spinning plates, as we like to call it).
 

Atom Smasher

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Attain resolution and certainty. Wondering is bad for a man.

Make some plan for the weekend, call her and tell her to join you ("I'm going to x,y,z on Saturday. Why don't you come with me").

If she accepts, great, If she declines, go to the event anyway by yourself and completely withdraw from this girl.

It is unbecoming for a man to jump through hoops for a woman's entertainment. You be the man, you set the frame. She should be dancing to your tune, not the other way around.

Low interest = "next".
 

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The title says it all, and shows that we should ALWAYS WATCH ACTIONS. Words don't mean crap sh*t.

OP, you're new here, and judge nismo is on the case.

She's keeping you as a tele-orbiter. She's using you for attention and ego boosting, while getting dik from a better man. Bad for you.

In common cases like these, where she's just not that into you (or as I say, your princess is in another castle), you need to go ghost (no contact), spin more plates (grow your options), and upgrade yourself.

Case closed. Welcome to the board.
 

Who Dares Win

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Man you're getting pumped and dumped in women style.

You see a guy SAYs to a girl that he loves her without meaning it in order to have sex with her than dump her once he is satisfied.
He gets what he wants after giving her hope to get what she wants.

She is doing the same thing but giving you hope for sex while in fact only getting your attention to fix her ego and then dump you (not meeting you) when she is satisfied enough.

As suggested evaluate a woman for her actions not her words, if she finds reason for never meet you yet she was plenty of time to "talk" its a losing bet, cut her out untill PROVEN worth your time and effort.

Anyway the guys up there told you clearly and correctly what you have to do, so grab your balls and do it ;)
 

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johnnynh

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Guys, I know what she is doing since her first rejection. Busy, visiting her parents on Sunday? Come on! You have described the situation the same way I have done and I agree with you and I appreciate your advices and opinions.

But I think that there is something that I can’t get it. Why I obtain second dates easily with HB7s and HB6s and why is so difficult with HB8s and HB9s doing the same staff, it is being CAF, using deep questions, rapport, qualifying her, etc.

I would like too much read your opinions and advices, my friends.

Johnny
 
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