"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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mr_guido

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Hello strangers...

While I haven't been on here in a long time, I thought I would let you guys in on an epiphany I had some time ago - some info that really hit home with me:

Although this forum serves as a valuable source of information, I find it almost more useful to forgo what information others' past experiences have brought them, and instead of taking their word for it, carve your own path and learn from yourself instead of relying on others.

This has really worked for me; I am not saying this forum is useless at all, don't get me wrong! However, I am stating that we can rely on it too heavily and not grow as men as properly as we should. The time away from this forum, nonetheless, has seen me succeed in my plans with women and, now ready to graduate, I have the most beautiful (no word of a lie) girl in the school as a prom date. This brings me to where I would like your opinions solely for my own consideration:

I know for a fact she liked me a great deal at some point last year, having her friends come up and tell me that, however I was already in a relationship. Since then I haven't had a girlfriend and she, as long as I have known her, has not had a boyfriend. Lately - ever since I asked her to prom - she has been quite flirty with me and I believe there is a chance. Now, I'm not asking you directly "What should I do" but rather, if you were me, what would you see as a successful move towards going out with her. I don't want to just pop it on her, like, hey let's go out, for obvious reasons lol.

So fire away, guys.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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LearningSlowly

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A date before prom would set the mood for prom. If you've already kissed, it's much easier to kiss again, and do more. Also you would have created a sexual vibe before prom, so at prom it would be made a lot more public. Once her friends know and approve, it's easy to start a relationship.

I also agree with what's in italics.
 

AlexLefty

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You guys make it seem so formal. personally i hate the word "date". That's something that like 30 year old people do when they go out to a fancy dinner.

So ya you can 'hang out' with her before prom, as long as it is seen as a sexual interaction. Obviously if you mack it before prom you're golden.

But depending on how far away your prom is from now, i'd personally wait. Prom is made to be a sexual environment, and hook ups are almost inevitable (especially in your case because #1. you know she used to like you and #2. she has been very flirty with you recently) so i'd wait until then. I feel like this will make you more attractive. Make her wait for prom for the opportunity to get with you. Acknowledge her flirtyness, and flirt back, but always flirt/be LESS invested than she is.

Right?

Time is your best friend in this situation.

Acknowledge the flirtyness, let it build, slowly let it build until prom. At the same time though, stay less invested than she is. I feel like this will amplify how attracted she is to you and will also build excitement around prom. This just makes it more fun! Then, at prom, you finally 'give in'. Let it explode and you guys hook up and do whatever you want to do. You both will want it bad since it has been building for so long. In fact, she'll want it more than if you guys had hung out and hooked up before prom.

This may sound over-analytic etc. but it's actually not in practice.

To recap:
Flirt with her before prom, increasing the levels as prom gets closer. ALWAYS flirt less than she does though. At prom, fvck. After prom, date.

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Rave18

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mr_guido said:
Hello strangers...

While I haven't been on here in a long time, I thought I would let you guys in on an epiphany I had some time ago - some info that really hit home with me:

Although this forum serves as a valuable source of information, I find it almost more useful to forgo what information others' past experiences have brought them, and instead of taking their word for it, carve your own path and learn from yourself instead of relying on others.

This has really worked for me; I am not saying this forum is useless at all, don't get me wrong! However, I am stating that we can rely on it too heavily and not grow as men as properly as we should.
Something that helped me understand the point you made

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html?_r=0
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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