Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

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Have a coffe date tonight... need some advice

HardTimes

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If this chick doesn't end up flaking I got a coffee date later tonight and I really don't want to mess this up as she is good looking and its into a lot of things I am. It will be a short "date", maybe 30 mins or so over a cup of coffee and conversation should flow pretty naturally I would think but I don't want to show or do ANY afcness at all.

What kinds of things do I need to avoid and how do I keep her IL high after the date? Should I ask her for another date there or should I call her after the date and ask if she wants to do something? I don't want to make myself sound too interested but at the same time (if things go well) I want to make it obvious that I do want to see her again.

I'll do an FR update after.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Oops, also forgot to mention, I met this chick online and oddly enough she wanted to meet me and didn't even ask to see my pic (but gave me her myspace). All that I know about her is from emails and phone conv.

One thing that might be of concern however is that on her myspace she puts in her profile that she likes tall men. She is 5'7 and I'm 5'8 (but fit/muscular) so she definitely won't think I'm a tall man so there is a possibility of me being DOA.
 

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just make sure you have your game together and don't act like to much of a ***** or a nice guy
 

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Dude coffee dates suck. Go for coffee and if there's a real good vibe take her somewhere a little more exciting. Nothing is ever set in stone. And if things go real well take her home ;) If not just tell her it was nice to meet her in person and have a good night. If you want to call her later you will.

And I wouldn't make an issue about your height. All girls like tall guys, that's life. Don't look for her validation, its just gonna mess with your head. If you have game I think you'll be fine.

PS Don't worry about messing things up, because if you think like that, you eventually will =) Just try to have a good time and vibe with her.
 

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HAHA, im in similar situation. Got set up on facebook with some girl via my friend. supposed to be going out thursday night for a drink etc... the girl is really hot, so I dont want to mess it up!!!

I would say dont ask for a date there and then! let her sleep on "hopefully" a good first date. and then call her up, and tell her you want to see her again etc!
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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coffee date aah man brutal how boring is that, move her somewhere! go for a walk or something as soon as your cups are empty! NO REFILLS!!!!
 

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SickAgain said:
Dude coffee dates suck. Go for coffee and if there's a real good vibe take her somewhere a little more exciting. Nothing is ever set in stone. And if things go real well take her home ;) If not just tell her it was nice to meet her in person and have a good night. If you want to call her later you will.

And I wouldn't make an issue about your height. All girls like tall guys, that's life. Don't look for her validation, its just gonna mess with your head. If you have game I think you'll be fine.

PS Don't worry about messing things up, because if you think like that, you eventually will =) Just try to have a good time and vibe with her.
Shes the one that asked me out on the date and suggested coffee (since we are meeting late at night on a Tuesday). I didn't object because I actually prefer it and I don't really want to go out and drink on a Tuesday. It's just a way to talk face to face for a half an hour or so I don't think its such a bad idea.

Also, I'm not going to look for her validation in anyway, and I'm trying to be especially careful not to show any AFC or too much enthusiasm at all.

After we get finished talking and are about to part ways, do I ask if she wants to meet up another time? Or let her suggest it? Not say anything?
 

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I'm really curious as to why so many people think coffee dates are a bad idea. It would be boring if we were going sit there and talk for like 5 hours, but I'm talking about 30 mins or so.
 

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dont worry about it man, its not boring. you are two people conversing with each other and getting to know each other! its all good! if you get the 2nd date, do something more interesting though!
 

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Try to get her into a bar for some drinks. Then if possible somewhere y'all can makeout. At least try to get a kiss out of her and then another date. Try talking for about 45 min about whatever then try to get her moved somewhere else. Unless you can get her moved, don't spend too much time on the date and end it on a high note. Just be fun and bust her balls. Keep it fun. Good luck bro.
 

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I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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HardTimes said:
I'm really curious as to why so many people think coffee dates are a bad idea. It would be boring if we were going sit there and talk for like 5 hours, but I'm talking about 30 mins or so.
dont worry about it man i wasnt tryin to psych you out haha im sure it wont be boring but i do definitely think a walk after a cup of coffee is a good idea

plus saying "hey lets get outta here and go for a walk" or go somewhere else you have in mind like ice cream or something is like the anti-AFC because you are taking charge and moving her
 

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HardTimes said:
I'm really curious as to why so many people think coffee dates are a bad idea. It would be boring if we were going sit there and talk for like 5 hours, but I'm talking about 30 mins or so.
I'm at a loss too. Coffee dates are great in my experience, the conversation flows so easily. :)
 

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Dont think "I dont want to mess it up" - if you think that you will behave in an awkward manner. Just relax. There are plenty of other girls. If you screw it up, no big deal. Dont try too hard to impress her. ****y/Funny/busting balls is good but dont over do it. Act normal, be effortless. If the date goes well and u want to see her again say i had a good time we should do this again sometime. Watch what she says. Call her again in a few days and setup the next date. Simple.
 

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I dont usually tend to be a jerk, but in this case I will be. Personally i think all of you guys that said coffee dates are a bad idea are morons. Coffee is inexpensive and a great way to talk face to face without feeling like u have to fill the void with going to the movies or doing an activity. You want to intrigue the girl by letting her get to know something about you, you want to display VALUE. Why would she want to hang out with you again if every other guy that is interested will do the same activities. She will choose the guy with whom she feels some common interest and connection.
 

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drtk said:
I'm at a loss too. Coffee dates are great in my experience, the conversation flows so easily. :)
And I LOVE coffees and danishes. LOL

I've heard it was too *safe* for her. Oh well.:rolleyes:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Soprano said:
plus saying "hey lets get outta here and go for a walk" or go somewhere else you have in mind like ice cream or something is like the anti-AFC because you are taking charge and moving her
That's actually a very good idea. I might try something like this if the conv went good and I'm feeling shes interested. Thanks.
 

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There are plenty of other girls. If you screw it up, no big deal.
Yeah, thats the thing, the above statement isn't true in addition to me thinking I have a lot in common with this girl. Before this my last date was a few months ago.
 

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Haha, she hasn't seen what you look like, but still wants to meet up?
She's a *****.

If you get anywhere with her, wear a condom, bro.

No idea how many internet hook ups she's had if she's willing to meet up without even knowing what you look like.
 

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I'm going to give you a good reason why coffee dates are a bad idea. In my AFC days it was all chat, no flirting and no kino. Coffee dates were an easy 2 hour ticket to the friendzone. Its easy to hit that friendzone chatting away in a coffeeshop.

Now if you treat it like any other date, add in some sexual vibes, work the kino, and I agree totally to venue change or take a walk, then you're good to go. If you treat them right, coffee dates are great, and cheap.

PS. always get the coffee in a to go cup. Feel free to walk around with it.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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