SirFratserlot
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has it
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Has this site made you more pessimistic/cynical
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Taistelukalkkuna
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It tries hard. But harder it tries, more I fight back. So much whining, where are all the so-called-alphas?
Site is meant for tips, discussions and cautions about women and in some cases life in general.
Majority of people fail with women they feel down, sad and Loss off confidence which usually leads to b**ching and moaning here in the forums about it. Proof is articles about bashing woman etc.
The minority stay positive, improve, become successful and post tips or engage in discussions here at the forums. Again the majority is pessimistic people seeing glass half empty and minority half full, so the forum will tend to be cynical and negative.
People forget woman are humans too just like us, and not every human has to like you. People seeking approval from woman usually have a loss of sense of self or have no approval of themselves. Simply just have faith,stay positive confident, respect your body and don't trust a big booty with a smile.
Majority of people fail with women they feel down, sad and Loss off confidence which usually leads to b**ching and moaning here in the forums about it. Proof is articles about bashing woman etc.
The minority stay positive, improve, become successful and post tips or engage in discussions here at the forums. Again the majority is pessimistic people seeing glass half empty and minority half full, so the forum will tend to be cynical and negative.
People forget woman are humans too just like us, and not every human has to like you. People seeking approval from woman usually have a loss of sense of self or have no approval of themselves. Simply just have faith,stay positive confident, respect your body and don't trust a big booty with a smile.
Mr Wright
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Your first post and it was quality. Approval seeking and getting too emotionally invested in a girl who is not emotionally invested in them causes all the hate and sadness.Jack89 said:
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
TillTheEndOfTime
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Online dating made me far more pessimistic & cynical than this site could ever do on its own.
This site made me REALISTIC. It is all in what you take from it.
This site made me REALISTIC. It is all in what you take from it.
I don't know about pessimistic and cynical - I think you could only become cynical if you took every word some of the goofs on here say as gospel.
The truth is, this site is loaded with misogynists - guys who have been burned by women and write about ways to treat them like dirt, trying to disguise it as "game" and being an "alpha, bro." And that doesn't make me feel pessimistic or cynical, but it occasionally makes me hate myself for visiting this site
But why I keep coming back is because for every woman-hating loser, there are some posters on here who give absolutely amazing advice that is usually geared towards making you a better man, which is what this is all about.
Somebody in the Mature Man forum said it best - this forum is about gaming women, not shaming them.
The truth is, this site is loaded with misogynists - guys who have been burned by women and write about ways to treat them like dirt, trying to disguise it as "game" and being an "alpha, bro." And that doesn't make me feel pessimistic or cynical, but it occasionally makes me hate myself for visiting this site
But why I keep coming back is because for every woman-hating loser, there are some posters on here who give absolutely amazing advice that is usually geared towards making you a better man, which is what this is all about.
Somebody in the Mature Man forum said it best - this forum is about gaming women, not shaming them.
SirFratserlot
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Id much rather shame
Then that makes you a sad, weak person.SirFratserlot said:
When you are a real man who has his stuff together, you'll never have to shame another person (male or female) to feel good about yourself.
Sounds like you have a long way to go.
SirFratserlot
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Rather shame than be shamed. It only gets worse once you have your **** together. I've seen and lived through too many experiences where a woman has taken advantage of a weak man or screwed a man over through a divorce process.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I think it's made me more optimistic than pessimistic, I'm a rather optimistic guy most of the time anyway.
To me this site has just lifted off my rose tinted glasses. I don't see women as these special creatures that deserve the treatment that most Hollywood films attribute to them. Nor do I see myself as somebody who is deserving of only high quality women, to get them I have to adopt a mindset which promotes myself first and foremost, and by improving myself the women will follow.
This is a lesson that makes me optimistic for the future, not because I will be getting with hot women, but because I will have the correct mindset to be successful and happy with MYSELF. The women will be a by product of this.
Although I've been on this site for the last 2 years, it's only in recent weeks/months that I've actually internalised that message, and I feel fantastic at the moment.
Gunner
To me this site has just lifted off my rose tinted glasses. I don't see women as these special creatures that deserve the treatment that most Hollywood films attribute to them. Nor do I see myself as somebody who is deserving of only high quality women, to get them I have to adopt a mindset which promotes myself first and foremost, and by improving myself the women will follow.
This is a lesson that makes me optimistic for the future, not because I will be getting with hot women, but because I will have the correct mindset to be successful and happy with MYSELF. The women will be a by product of this.
Although I've been on this site for the last 2 years, it's only in recent weeks/months that I've actually internalised that message, and I feel fantastic at the moment.
Gunner
SirFratserlot
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Ya, improving your wallet size will definitely make women follow.
This site is stuffed full of value, but you have to carefully select what you pay attention to.
There is some kind of hopelessness prevailing these days, that women have us by the balls. They'll flake, cheat, lie, and branch swing, and there's just nothing we can do about it.
They have Facebook, smartphones, dozens of orbiters, and an inflated self-image.
They have the pill, and make their own money, and are beyond our control anymore.
IMO the site should focus more on how men can ADAPT to the changing landscape, not how "bad" it's getting for guys out there and hard "impossible" it is to get a woman to stick around.
Oh - and there's probably something to be said about the mindset that hot young women (who have high value in society) should just spread their legs for you by mere virtue of the fact that you are a man.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Many guys on this forum expect the world out of women - but are unwilling and/or unable to produce any value in return.
Of course hot women want a good looking alpha male making lots of money. They'd be stupid not to.
In general there's far too much whining and entitlement on this forum, and not enough "maybe I should stop crying about how good some guys have it, and just turn myself into one of those guys."
There is some kind of hopelessness prevailing these days, that women have us by the balls. They'll flake, cheat, lie, and branch swing, and there's just nothing we can do about it.
They have Facebook, smartphones, dozens of orbiters, and an inflated self-image.
They have the pill, and make their own money, and are beyond our control anymore.
IMO the site should focus more on how men can ADAPT to the changing landscape, not how "bad" it's getting for guys out there and hard "impossible" it is to get a woman to stick around.
Oh - and there's probably something to be said about the mindset that hot young women (who have high value in society) should just spread their legs for you by mere virtue of the fact that you are a man.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Many guys on this forum expect the world out of women - but are unwilling and/or unable to produce any value in return.
Of course hot women want a good looking alpha male making lots of money. They'd be stupid not to.
In general there's far too much whining and entitlement on this forum, and not enough "maybe I should stop crying about how good some guys have it, and just turn myself into one of those guys."
49au said:
This. This. This.49au said:
And you don't have to be the hottest "alpha" dude on the planet for this to work either, guys. It's about becoming your best possible self. If you can stand in a room and know who you are, what you have to offer the world, and feel comfortable and confident in your own skin - you've just discovered the key.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
I'm not neccessarily talking about success as increasing the size of my pay check, as a student, that isn't really what I define as success at the moment.
Instead the way I define success is by doing what I believe gives me the most self worth
At the moment for me that is my grades, which although they haven't been too great this year, in the last weeks I have changed my attitude and have been working much harder than normal, because I have decided that for the good of my self worth I want to get the best degree I can, to me that is success.
The lesson that I have learnt is that if I take my acadamia seriously it will put me in a better position to be happy, as a result of this I will enjoy myself more, and this will attract women. They will wonder why I am happy and enjoying myself.
If this is not the case it doesn't matter, because I will be happy and optimistic already.
This site has taught me to put myself first, and if that lesson makes you pessimistic about life, I don't think you've internalised it correctly.
Gunner
Instead the way I define success is by doing what I believe gives me the most self worth
At the moment for me that is my grades, which although they haven't been too great this year, in the last weeks I have changed my attitude and have been working much harder than normal, because I have decided that for the good of my self worth I want to get the best degree I can, to me that is success.
The lesson that I have learnt is that if I take my acadamia seriously it will put me in a better position to be happy, as a result of this I will enjoy myself more, and this will attract women. They will wonder why I am happy and enjoying myself.
If this is not the case it doesn't matter, because I will be happy and optimistic already.
This site has taught me to put myself first, and if that lesson makes you pessimistic about life, I don't think you've internalised it correctly.
Gunner
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This site has made me LESS pessimistic and cynical.
Why? Because before I found this site.. I thought I was just a "pig" who didn't see the value in modern women that most others saw.
This site made me realize that many other men think like me and modern society has made most modern females toxic. Hence.. the lack of value they possess that as led me to avoiding serious commitments with them most of my life.
This site made me happy. I realized I'm not such a bad guy... I'm just reacting to my environment. I truly wanted commitment and marriage for a while but NO WOMAN I MET SEEMED WORTHY OF IT. I thought it was just me (and maybe to some degree it is) but now I can see its not ALL me.
Why? Because before I found this site.. I thought I was just a "pig" who didn't see the value in modern women that most others saw.
This site made me realize that many other men think like me and modern society has made most modern females toxic. Hence.. the lack of value they possess that as led me to avoiding serious commitments with them most of my life.
This site made me happy. I realized I'm not such a bad guy... I'm just reacting to my environment. I truly wanted commitment and marriage for a while but NO WOMAN I MET SEEMED WORTHY OF IT. I thought it was just me (and maybe to some degree it is) but now I can see its not ALL me.
Atom Smasher
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Disillusionment is always painful but carries with it possibilities that were not apparent while operating under illusion.
HedoRick
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This site has helped me become less pessimistic.
It made me realize that you've got two options. Accept hors for what they are, and treat them as such.
You either accept that fact, or b1tch and moan about your problems. As for me, I prefer the first option. Nothing more unnatractive than a whiner!!
It made me realize that you've got two options. Accept hors for what they are, and treat them as such.
You either accept that fact, or b1tch and moan about your problems. As for me, I prefer the first option. Nothing more unnatractive than a whiner!!
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Or I'm just a butthurt guy Waaaaa Save me!
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No woman is worthy because you don't see yourself as worthy If you look at yourself as garbage than the girls you date, even the good ones, are just garbage.
Waaaaa Save me!:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:
No woman is worthy because you don't see yourself as worthy
If you look at yourself as garbage than the girls you date, even the good ones, are just garbage. PlayHer Man said:
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.