Has anyone else dealt with this?

[LukaGrey]

Hey guys,

I am super new to the manosphere and am going through my unplugging. My whole life I was conditioned hard with blue pill and since learning the red pill stuff I find I have shame around being sexual. (Example: I see a super attractive girl in the gym and I want to check her out but I feel "creepy" and weird about it like it's something perverted that I should be ashamed of.)

Since discovering I have this mental block I have been trying to get caught checking them out on purpose when I find a woman attractive and try to hold my stare until she looks away / submits first. Has anyone on here dealt with sexual shame driven by blue pill programming? is it common? And am I on the right track for being more masculine by being obvious and upfront when I find a girl attractive?

I am a pretty attractive guy (8.5/10 If I was to rate myself) and I find that I am missing out on potential ioi's because I don't want to look like a perv or a creep, but I have a ton of girls make strong eye contact with me which makes me feel like I am missing out on potential opportunities with REALLY attractive women.

Any feedback would be appreciated!

Cheers

 

[Bingo-Player]

First off girls in the gym want to be looked at , it's the main reason they are there

They don't spend thousands of hours building them bootys for the good of their health no they know if they do the work they have a better chance of securing the highest value male from other women

The problem is gym bunnies usually tend to have an extreme amount of male attention wether that be from social media or , dating apps even IRL

this hardens them to male attention to the point where they believe they are above it

I notice many girls in my gym with attitude problems they have constant scowls on their faces and walk around like they are better than anyone else

and if you have simps in your DM's all day telling you how amazing you are chances are eventually your going to start believing it

So as you can see it quickly becomes a scenario of " you can look but you can't touch"

We also need to remember some women enjoy leading weak men on to see how far they can push them , this is especially true for gym bunnies

To conclude by all means chat to chicks at the gym if you have the confidence , just expect it to be a very very low conversion rate

 

[Mike32ct]

That was a big thing in early PUA theory. “Make eye contact, and then hold it until she looks away.” I don’t know if it’s even necessary or that important to “win” the “staring match.”

It’s probably fine to make a two second eye contact and then look to the SIDE.

Just don’t look DOWN after the eye contact. That could come across as timid/submissive on your end.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with the post above this one.

I do wanna add, that part of being RP is the I DGAF attitude . If I wanna check out a fine booty then ima do just that. Yes the bluepill beta biatch inside of me shames me like it's a social etiquette to look away.

It's still early on your journey, but you'll face a million more situations where the blue side of you will go for the safe route. You might friendzone yourself here and there. Just keep in mind it's the blue side trying to "protect " you .

I just left the gym and was thinking exactly this. Part of my transition was also KNOWING my own SMV ,which is kinda of a set number. So everywhere I go women will react to my presence. The bluepilled side used to somehow shame me for that (worst example was when I had a solid 8 pack I refused to take my shirt off because I felt it was "socially awkward " for the lazy fat dudes).

 

[LukaGrey]

That was a big thing in early PUA theory. “Make eye contact, and then hold it until she looks away.” I don’t know if it’s even necessary or that important to “win” the “staring match.”

It’s probably fine to make a two second eye contact and then look to the SIDE.

Just don’t look DOWN after the eye contact. That could come across as timid/submissive on your end.

I can learn some of these early techniques from the recommended reading section I presume?

 

[LukaGrey]

I agree with the post above this one.

I do wanna add, that part of being RP is the I DGAF attitude . If I wanna check out a fine booty then ima do just that. Yes the bluepill beta biatch inside of me shames me like it's a social etiquette to look away.

It's still early on your journey, but you'll face a million more situations where the blue side of you will go for the safe route. You might friendzone yourself here and there. Just keep in mind it's the blue side trying to "protect " you .

I just left the gym and was thinking exactly this. Part of my transition was also KNOWING my own SMV ,which is kinda of a set number. So everywhere I go women will react to my presence. The bluepilled side used to somehow shame me for that (worst example was when I had a solid 8 pack I refused to take my shirt off because I felt it was "socially awkward " for the lazy fat dudes).

Yeah, I have always had a high SMV and I have never had issues getting girls to look at me or to notice me, my issue is when it comes to having a high-value attitude and behavior because I was taught it "Rude" or "Arrogant" to have any sense of outward confidence.

I have found getting in touch with the "inner jerk" helps because people assume if you have a bit of an attitude you are high value because you aren't just nice for no reason. Similar to the jocks in school aren't afraid to dismiss or even sometimes be outright mean to people who are of lower value than them.

 

[LukaGrey]

First off girls in the gym want to be looked at , it's the main reason they are there

They don't spend thousands of hours building them bootys for the good of their health no they know if they do the work they have a better chance of securing the highest value male from other women

The problem is gym bunnies usually tend to have an extreme amount of male attention wether that be from social media or , dating apps even IRL

this hardens them to male attention to the point where they believe they are above it

I notice many girls in my gym with attitude problems they have constant scowls on their faces and walk around like they are better than anyone else

and if you have simps in your DM's all day telling you how amazing you are chances are eventually your going to start believing it

So as you can see it quickly becomes a scenario of " you can look but you can't touch"

We also need to remember some women enjoy leading weak men on to see how far they can push them , this is especially true for gym bunnies

To conclude by all means chat to chicks at the gym if you have the confidence , just expect it to be a very very low conversion rate

Great advice. I have done a few approaches in the gym and I found that its almost not worth it considering you'll run into them all the time if it doesn't work out. I usually didn't give a **** but it does make it a little more tense when you see them after you shoot your shot.

Do you think it could be a good exercise for me to practise making stronger eye contact with the gym bunnies to toughen my skin against rejection? (considering they are so cold)