Has a woman who has been fat-shamed been "violated" as well?

[MatureDJ]

I was watching this interview of Roosh V on the Dr. Oz show. Dr. Oz keeps telling Roosh that these fat women are being "violated" by being shamed, and that Roosh is basically "missing something" in his brain. So now men aren't supposed to tell a woman that they think that she is fat? Sheesh!

The women on this show seem very agitated. My question is why can't they be motivated to keep their weight down?

 

[Serenity]

Shame never motivated anyone in a positive way. If a man doesn't want a fat chick he can simply avoid her, no point shaming fat people. It's their problem and they literally carry their burden, not my responsibility to tell others what to do unless they ask for it.

I wouldn't tell a fat woman she's fat unless she asks and really is fat. I don't respond or share my thoughts unprovoked, that only brings drama.

 

[wifehunter]

But Big Bertha is sooo hot! lol!!! /verbal irony

People have thin skins!!! Put down the fork fatty!!! Lol!

It's simple, if women are the gatekeepers of sex, then it stands to reason that fat women are failing. Fat is not sexy! Not to mention, at the same time, artificially driving up the price of sexy ladies.

On a positive note, some fat women have great personalities and make great friends. I have a few. But definately not sexy. They would not look good in a dress!!!

 

[Yewki]

Shame never motivated anyone in a positive way. If a man doesn't want a fat chick he can simply avoid her, no point shaming fat people. It's their problem and they literally carry their burden, not my responsibility to tell others what to do unless they ask for it.

I wouldn't tell a fat woman she's fat unless she asks and really is fat. I don't respond or share my thoughts unprovoked, that only brings drama.

I think discouragement is necessary though. Problem is there's a thin line between discouragement and shame. I'd rather have open conversations about problems, than walk on egg shells and pretend nothing is wrong though. So I'd rather people be shamed for bad habits than nothing said at all.

What's worse though, is mainstream media in general seems to encourage obesity in that it's OK as long as you "love yourself no matter what"

 

[Serenity]

I think discouragement is necessary though. Problem is there's a thin line between discouragement and shame. I'd rather have open conversations about problems, than walk on egg shells and pretend nothing is wrong though. So I'd rather people be shamed for bad habits than nothing said at all.

What's worse though, is mainstream media in general seems to encourage obesity in that it's OK as long as you "love yourself no matter what"

No point shaming or discouraging if the receiver is not open to taking it. Open conversations requires actually listening and giving a fvck, when fat chicks are just brick walling it there's no point really. It also signifies they've heard it all before and chosen to ignore rather than take it seriously, again no point further shaming. Fat people know damn well they're fat and they know damn well being fat isn't good. Let the fat people be fat, it's a waste of time trying to change them.

Mainstream media also points out negative aspects of being fat, main concern being health. This goes on a deeper level than just looks, fat people don't love themselves as they consciously subject themselves to health risks that can potentially kill them. It's in that sense not dumb to teach fat people to love themselves, that's the first step to taking one's own health seriously and eventually get rid of the fat. It's not immediate, but in the long run is more effective than shaming.

Why do you feel like you walk on eggshells? Why is it a problem to you that fat people exist? It's not you being fat, it's not your problem. So why take responsibility for other peoples bad choices?

 

[LiveFreeX]

I avoid fat people like a newly minted dog turd. You simply can't get through to these people, they are the most EASILY offended people around and they are so used to feeling like sh1t that the first insult out of your mouth will drive them to madness. They are no different than any other addict and should be handled the same. Looks matter, this has already been handled on another thread. Americans only want to live in a fairy tale land because the real world would be an absolutely horrific place where they actually had to do something about their situations. I see it everywhere, people want a band aid or a quick, good feeling, fix to their problems. Fat women are usually lonely little turds and if they are with a guy, you can bet he hasn't got ANY other options.

If Doc Oz isn't gay, his life must be a total lie.

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/my-600-lb-life/videos/my-600-lb-life-where-are-they-now/

I have a cousin who is around 400lbs and she's the mouthiest little cvnt you'll ever meet. These types of people are rotten inside as much as out, they are hateful and jealous and seeth it when they are around their own kind. A lot of them like small animals because they feel that the animals don't judge them. They travel in their own circles because they enable each other like security blankets. Being around fat people seems ok at first but then you quickly find out that they are usually super insecure and not capable of dealing with reality. They are the laziest, un-motivated bunch of hateful little gremlins you'll ever meet. Anyone who is friends with a fat person who is in DENIAL can attest to this. Women are certainly a lot worse than men simply because they can exist in this world and still have desperate men willing to fvck them. The reality for men is that most women won't speak to them and any kind of 8,9 or 10 is unattainable without serious cash, fame or personality. That is generally why fat people marry other fat people. One thing fat people ARE experts at is food, they know every fast food menu item around. They can tell you the calories for every hamburger on the menu. Their problem is just self control, plain and simple, they don't have any.

 

[El Payaso]

Men are more attracted to fit, in shape or curvy women than they are to fat, out of shape women.

It's no different from women being more attracted to tall men.

I think white knights like dr ooze would be better off spending their time addressing the women who constantly shame men for not being tall enough for their taste.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I avoid fat people like a newly minted doggy turd. You simply can't get through to these people, they are the most EASILY offended people around and they are so used to feeling like sh1t that the first insult out of your mouth will drive them to madness. They are no different than any other addict and should be handled the same.

Ahhh, the ego. Or in this case, the overly inflated and already damaged super ego. The reason why fatties are fat in the first place is because their ego is so tremendously huge that they don't think there is anything wrong with them in the first place, or that there has EVER been anything wrong with them ever. This super ego is fueled by a false sense of pride, undeserved spoon-fed compliments, and their own laziness. The reaaon why they get affended so easily is because they don't have high self-esteem to begin with, despite the guise that they may sometimes present.

Yeah, I hate fat people A LOT....

 

[Who Dares Win]

While I believe insulting people or unneccessarily harming their self esteem is wrong and counterproductive, I also believe critics are a necessary barrier to correct wrong behaviour and situations.

I've been falling in the fat zone about a year ago, I was building muscles getting swole and growing in strenght but at the same time I was eating non stop and my belly was becoming like basket ball.

A girl I was somehow pushing around lift my shirt and grabbed my roll and told me "maybe after you stop being fat", well it wasnt exactly great to hear it but it forced my to acknoweldge a problem a real problem.

Not that I begun a diet the following day but I started to look for a balance between being buff and being in shape, right now I still have a little bit of fat in my lower belly but following this path in a couple of months I got a six pack while still keeping the buff in my body.

So the point is being offended or hurt sometime is a necessary step to improvement, if a girl that behave as a stupiv b1tch gets insulted and mistreated for being so, she will probably diminish such behaviour, a lazy man gets told that he lives like a loser will at least think of changing habits and so on.

So to go back to the main point, calling a girl fat land whale while laughing at her is wrong, but politely telling her that just like she finds abercrombie models hot cause of their shape, so do men for in shape girls and if she wants any attention from those men she likes (not the fatties like her), she has to change herself.

Dont waste time talking about medical reasons, they dont care, their desire for validation is a much bigger motivation.

 

[Stugots26]

What's so disgusting about this video is the way Dr. Oz panders to his studio and television audience. He knows he doesn't want a fatty.

Women who resent natural male attraction to thin, young, hot women want to change societal norms to increase fat acceptance and castigate that male attraction as societal conditioning. They act as if you should be attracted to them despite their weight and how dare you not be, and be attracted to the hottie instead. Funny thing is, if you ever said, "how dare you be attracted to Ryan Gosling because of his looks? That's just societal conditioning. You should be attracted to me." You'd get an earful about how women can choose for themselves and how dare you tell them who they should be attracted to.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I'm about 180, optimally I should be at 175. I hit the gym almost every day and my extra bulk makes me look a bit bigger. The easiest way to drop a couple pounds a week is through juice, water and vitamin fasting on the days you don't go to the gym. You can easily lose up to 1/2 a pound to a full pound per fasting day and you'll feel better both about yourself and overall. There is something to be said for fasting, I'm not sure the exact benefits but I know it works for me. I once went 2 weeks without eating when I was about 10 years younger (broken hearted). I felt as though I couldn't sleep, eat or do anything... so it is possible to do. A day or two a week isn't going to hurt anybody.

What's so disgusting about this video is the way Dr. Oz panders to his studio and television audience. He knows he doesn't want a fatty.

Dude is fake as Ceaser Flickerman, Roosh's problem was that he wasn't combative enough. He let Oz steam roll him with his incessant rambling and bvllsh1t. I hope he was well compensated for that because if not, I would have torn into those twinkies at light speed.

 

[Serenity]

I just actually watched the video in the OP and now watched how he responded afterwards. In my opinion Roosh V lacks the logic he speaks so highly of, that's a pretty way of saying he's an idiot.

He shamed fat women to make them thin, it didn't work. He received shame to make him stop shaming, did it work? Obviously it didn't, so what can we conclude from this piece of reflection? Shaming does NOT work on him, it does not work on others and thus shaming simply does not work.

It's ridiculous to see how he feels hated and shamed while still holding on to what they tried changing with that hate and shame. They do the same thing he thinks will work, then it doesn't work on himself essentially proving how it doesn't work. Then he just simply lacks the self-awareness to realize this and go on and on in this video in a long defensive rationalization.

 

[AttackFormation]

Ok, let me give you my perspective as a guy whos d!ck is made hard by fat girls and always has been, who feels about the same motivation to fvck Megan Fox as he feels for a newspaper roll. Well... maybe some more than that because she does have a pvssy and all, but you know...

1. Just like girls aren't attractive to you only because they are slim, to me a girl is not attractive only because she's fat. I think I'd fvck a bigger % of fat girls than you guys would fvck slim girls, but for me to see her as a true girlfriend I would want her looking like this, not say... this (example of an unattractive fat girl). The point is that there's a lot of ugly girls who happen to be fat, who think they should be "accepted". But if they lost weight they'd still be ugly.

2. I distrust the "body positivity" thing. I think it's good that people don't live with self-hate, but... I think the motivation is envy, not positivity. They don't just want to live without a terrible amount of shaming, that's a secondary motivation. No, I think they envy the status and validation that being a "thin hot girl" brings. And when they get it, it affects them like it does any other woman and they show their true colours as being no different than any other one. But of course they can't come right out and say that, I don't think they even overtly admit it to themselves.

3. The reason why body positivity is driven by females is because they are more socially & biologically privileged, narcissistic and self-absorbed than men. A short, fat guy with an unremarkable career and no real hobbies knows that he's out of the game. But a woman with the same traits can still get hundreds, even thousands (trust me, I know) of followers, more validation than her brain can filter.


Oh yeah... didn't bother watching the video.

 

[SgtSplacker]

Fat shamed? Just now I was watching that "dish value ugly bill" commercial. And that's entirely acceptable? Is that "fat shaming" also?

 

[Yewki]

Why do you feel like you walk on eggshells?

It's becoming politically correct to be fat, so discussing it as though it's a problem is becoming taboo... hence walking on egg shells

Why is it a problem to you that fat people exist?

1. Less women for me to be sexually interested in
2. Another elephant in the room (literally) that you can't discuss
3. Greater health care costs, less seating room in public areas, more congestion in busy areas
4. It's disheartening that society in general is become increasingly unhealthy and lazy... if half the country was addicted to meth, you'd feel pretty bad about the situation right?

By the way, are you a heavy set guy or something?

 

[Yewki]

I avoid fat people like a newly minted dog turd. You simply can't get through to these people, they are the most EASILY offended people around and they are so used to feeling like sh1t that the first insult out of your mouth will drive them to madness...

I have a cousin who is around 400lbs and she's the mouthiest little cvnt you'll ever meet.

I've noticed the exact same thing. Don't get me wrong, there are some really cool obese people out there... but generally speaking, they tend to have a chip on their shoulder and are easily set off. The heavier they are, the worse it is.

 

[AllDay85]

Ok, let me give you my perspective as a guy whos d!ck is made hard by fat girls and always has been, who feels about the same motivation to fvck Megan Fox as he feels for a newspaper roll. Well... maybe some more than that because she does have a pvssy and all, but you know...

1. Just like girls aren't attractive to you only because they are slim, to me a girl is not attractive only because she's fat. I think I'd fvck a bigger % of fat girls than you guys would fvck slim girls, but for me to see her as a true girlfriend I would want her looking like this, not say... this (example of an unattractive fat girl). The point is that there's a lot of ugly girls who happen to be fat, who think they should be "accepted". But if they lost weight they'd still be ugly.

2. I distrust the "body positivity" thing. I think it's good that people don't live with self-hate, but... I think the motivation is envy, not positivity. They don't just want to live without a terrible amount of shaming, that's a secondary motivation. No, I think they envy the status and validation that being a "thin hot girl" brings. And when they get it, it affects them like it does any other woman and they show their true colours as being no different than any other one. But of course they can't come right out and say that, I don't think they even overtly admit it to themselves.

3. The reason why body positivity is driven by females is because they are more socially & biologically privileged, narcissistic and self-absorbed than men. A short, fat guy with an unremarkable career and no real hobbies knows that he's out of the game. But a woman with the same traits can still get hundreds, even thousands (trust me, I know) of followers, more validation than her brain can filter.


Oh yeah... didn't bother watching the video.

Dude I just watched those BBW vids. GROSS!

 

[zinc4]

I just actually watched the video in the OP and now watched how he responded afterwards. In my opinion Roosh V lacks the logic he speaks so highly of, that's a pretty way of saying he's an idiot.

He shamed fat women to make them thin, it didn't work. He received shame to make him stop shaming, did it work? Obviously it didn't, so what can we conclude from this piece of reflection? Shaming does NOT work on him, it does not work on others and thus shaming simply does not work.

It's ridiculous to see how he feels hated and shamed while still holding on to what they tried changing with that hate and shame. They do the same thing he thinks will work, then it doesn't work on himself essentially proving how it doesn't work. Then he just simply lacks the self-awareness to realize this and go on and on in this video in a long defensive rationalization.

You CLEARLY have never lived anywhere in Asia.

Let me tell you....fat shaming works miracles!!!

In Taiwan and Korea, women and men.......especially women, are shamed and socially outcasted for being fat...not even obese like all the landwhales we got around here. They would be considered zoo animals over there.

They view a fat person about the same way we view crackheads. It's simply not socially acceptable over there, especially Taiwan.

Guess what the result is? Women are utterly ashamed of even having a little fat on their bellies and 99 percent of them stay very thin and in superb health...therefore look really good and age really well.

So take that white knight crap out of here.

Women should indeed be pubicslly humiliated for being fat....hell...just about everything they earn or gain in their lives is due to their looks....there's really no excuse.

I freaking hate fat women and their lazy sh$tty attitudes about it..have zero pity on them.

Go see if they have pity on short guys.

At least a fat woman can diet and lose weight.

A short guy can't do squat besides maybe lifted shoes. I'm not short by the way, just pointing out its retarted to not fat Shame....it produces great results and they deserve it.

 

[wifehunter]

Reminds me to watch those carbs. Carbs make me fat.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Ok, let me give you my perspective as a guy whose d!ck is made hard by fat girls and always has been, who feels about the same motivation to fvck Megan Fox as he feels for a newspaper roll. Well... maybe some more than that because she does have a pvssy and all, but you know...

More evidence that we are living in a computer simulation, you sir are a glitch in the matrix.