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Whatever you may think of harvey, his lawyer seems to be dropping some truth bombs.



One of the things she says is "men have no power in the justice system."

And that the women that stood up against Harvey are guilty of making him feel as though they loved him etc. That they are lying as there is 0 forensic evidence. That the jury only went by what the girls SAID rather than actual evidence.

If this is true then we live in a very sinister world.
 

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Whatever you may think of harvey, his lawyer seems to be dropping some truth bombs.



One of the things she says is "men have no power in the justice system."

And that the women that stood up against Harvey are guilty of making him feel as though they loved him etc. That they are lying as there is 0 forensic evidence. That the jury only went by what the girls SAID rather than actual evidence.

If this is true then we live in a very sinister world.
Yeah...Harvey should've resisted the temptation of leveraging young st/harlots into transactional, casting-couch sex. How would you feel if some fat, ugly, old hag dangled your teen ambitions right in front of you, in exchange for that sweaty beast popping into your head, for the rest of your life, every time you were in bed with a young, attractive woman?

I don't know if he actually raped anyone, but he was definitely a major creep. Should being a creep earn him a life sentence in prison? Probably not, but in another age, his behavior probably would've earned him some crippling a ss beatings, long before this.

Just let it be a lesson to you, that you will always be loathed for leveraging women into transactional sex, and Hell hath no fury...
 

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How would you feel if some fat, ugly, old hag dangled your teen ambitions right in front of you, in exchange for that sweaty beast popping into your head, for the rest of your life, every time you were in bed with a young, attractive woman?
I'm pretty confident that I wouldn't have sex with a "fat, ugly, old hag" in exchange for a movie role...lol. And if I were the kind of person who was inclined to do that, I doubt that it would bother me very much afterwards. Everyone in Hollywood knows how the game is played. I have little doubt that most if not all of Weinstein's "victims" knew exactly what they were getting into. If you are a young and attractive woman who doesn't want to be "exploited" for her looks, there are many other professions that you can go into. It's not like someone is holding a gun to your head saying: "you're too good looking for a job in accounting or finance, you have no choice but to try to become a movie star!" Like Guns'N'Roses said, you can taste the bright lights but you won't get there for free.

None of this excuses Harvey Weinstein, who is undoubtedly a pervert and a loser. But the women that slept with him are not exactly innocent victims either. Their behaviour is just as repugnant as his. These are the same types of women who would fvck a drug dealer for free drugs or seduce their boss to get a promotion.
 

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None of this excuses Harvey Weinstein, who is undoubtedly a pervert and a loser. But the women that slept with him are not exactly innocent victims either. Their behaviour is just as repugnant as his.
Is every prostitute a victim of human trafficking? In the strictest sense, probably not. But, whether a woman was kidnapped off the street while jogging alone, roped into an underaged party and roofied, lured into meeting an older guy she met on the internet, convinced by her older boyfriend that she'd sleep with other guys for money, if she really loved him, or was a poor Estonian girl offered a job as a nanny for a Saudi prince, most girls who sell their bodies for money probably aren't living out their childhood dreams, and in many cases, their Johns are just rapists by proxy.

I've even watched escorts tell their stories, in defense of their chosen profession, talking about how they don't have pimps, and that they do what they do by choice, and that the fact they were brutally raped had nothing to do with what they ultimately ended up doing for a living; and, such dismissive confessions remind me of the extremely high rate of adult male homosexuals who rationalize their proclivities as completely unrelated to the fact that they were molested as children.

Speaking of children...is Hollywood's treatment of children, which is apparently little different than its treatment of an 18 year old nymphette straight off the bus from Kansas, somehow a moral gray area?

If the only women Harvey had ever touched had been those who jumped on him and yanked his pants down, and refused to take his d ick out of their mouths until he gave them the roles they wanted, I doubt he would've ended up in this mess. But, honestly, how many plumb female roles did he have available to dole out, compared to the thousands of 18 year old nymphettes fresh off the bus everyday? The math doesn't work without pressure, if you're a predator. That's where most of the resentment comes from, not from the secretary who seduces her boss for a raise, but from the secretary who is seduced by her boss, under threat of losing her job, and then is given the raise to keep her quiet.

There's a wide gap between real life and a porn plot.
 
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Is every prostitute a victim of human trafficking? In the strictest sense, probably not. But, whether a woman was kidnapped off the street while jogging alone, roped into an underaged party and roofied, lured into meeting an older guy she met on the internet, convinced by her older boyfriend that she'd sleep with other guys for money, if she really loved him, or was a poor Estonian girl offered a job as a nanny for a Saudi prince, most girls who sell their bodies for money probably aren't living out their childhood dreams, and in many cases, their Johns are just rapists by proxy.

I've even watched escorts tell their stories, in defense of their chosen profession, talking about how they don't have pimps, and that they do what they do by choice, and that the fact they were brutally raped had nothing to do with what they ultimately ended up doing for a living; and, such dismissive confessions remind me of the extremely high rate of adult male homosexuals who rationalize their proclivities as completely unrelated to the fact that they were molested as children.

Speaking of children...is Hollywood's treatment of children, which is apparently little different than its treatment of an 18 year old nymphette straight off the bus from Kansas, somehow a moral gray area?

If the only women Harvey had ever touched had been those who jumped on him and yanked his pants down, and refused to take his d ick out of their mouths until he gave them the roles they wanted, I doubt he would've ended up in this mess. But, honestly, how many plumb female roles did he have available to dole out, compared to the thousands of 18 year old nymphettes fresh off the bus everyday? The math doesn't work without pressure, if you're a predator. That's where most of the resentment comes from, not from the secretary who seduces her boss for a raise, but from the secretary who is seduced by her boss, under threat of losing her job, and then is given the raise to keep her quiet.

There's a wide gap between real life and a porn plot.
The level of white knighting in this post is off the scale. Are you really trying to suggest that every slvt is a formerly pure victim of circumstances? It couldn’t possibly be that some women are slvts by nature and don’t mind selling themselves in one form or another if the price right? (whether that’s sleeping with a producer to get a role or getting paid to go on vacation to Dubai and “entertain“ some rich arabs)
 

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The level of white knighting in this post is off the scale.
Save the jargon for the incels. I've been a full grown man since long before most of the people reading this were shot out of their daddy's ball sack. I'm immune to that crap.

Are you really trying to suggest that every slvt is a formerly pure victim of circumstances?
I see you like to make straw men and dress them up in hyperbole.

What I'm trying to make clear is that otherwise undesirable men, who rely on transactional leverage to bed women they wouldn't normally have a shot with, are playing with a #metoo timebomb. How much sympathy will they get from me? Z E R 0!

It couldn’t possibly be that some women are slvts by nature...
NATURE? That's a separate discussion. But, SOME? Now, we're getting somewhere.


...and don’t mind selling themselves in one form or another if the price right?
Does this stem from a prenatal condition? If so, pimps would be out of work. Is the world in short supply of such women? Not that I can tell. The difference between a s lut and a wh0re is whether she actually wants to f uck you or just wants what you have to offer more than she's repulsed by the idea of f ucking you. If it's the latter, no-one should be too surprised if some starving kid who needs to suck a d ick for a sandwich sometimes ends up throwing up the sandwich; if that was your d ick and your sandwich, the chickies are probably gonna come home to roost.

That's what I'm saying.
 

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Save the jargon for the incels. I've been a full grown man since long before most of the people reading this were shot out of their daddy's ball sack. I'm immune to that crap.
So anyone who rejects your fourth wave feminism propaganda is an incel now? Save the intersectionality critique for your Margaret Atwood reading circle. I'm immune to that crap.

With a name like ShePays, I can't help but wonder what happened. Did you suddenly get "woke"? Did your girlfriend hack your account? You sound like someone who just graduated from a liberal arts college with a degree in gender studies.
 

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So anyone who rejects your fourth wave feminism propaganda is an incel now?
Anyone who warns that acting like an aggressive trick is stupid, self-destructive, self-loathing behavior, and will end badly is a "white knight" ?

I have no idea what that other thing is. I didn't have the handicap of growing up with that particular brand of sewage being pumped into my brain, so I have no idea what the f uck you're talking about.

Save the intersectionality critique for your Margaret Atwood reading circle. I'm immune to that crap.
There you go, again. I have zer0 clue who or what that is.

With a name like ShePays, I can't help but wonder what happened. Did you suddenly get "woke"? Did your girlfriend hack your account? You sound like someone who just graduated from a liberal arts college with a degree in gender studies.
Not even close.

Look, buddy, if ya wanna hitch your particular wagon to Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, and Jeffrey Epstein, that's on you; personally, I see nothing there worth emulating nor pitying.

Was his female attorney right? Yes. That doesn't mean Weinstein was innocent, and it doesn't mean his accusers were. She simply made an observation about the current state of society. If you want to pretend you don't know how things are, that's on you, too.

Was there ever a time when it was ok to put knockout drops in a woman's drink, and have sex with her unconscious body? I don't think so. In fact, if anything, there was a time that killing someone who did such things would've been considered a public service, and a jury would acquit, if anyone even bothered to prosecute.

Was there a time, outside of Saudi Arabia, that it was considered acceptable to kidnap and groom underage girls, and to pimp them to people you wanted to videotape and blackmail? Again, that's the type of behavior that would probably get a guy killed.

I don't know the extent of Weinstein's misdeeds, but there's convincing evidence that he was in the habit of forcing himself on unreceptive women, and using his position as a Hollywood producer to leverage women into transactional sex with him. Was this ever okay? Was this ever the type of behavior that wouldn't inspire a good old fashioned sh it stomping, if the right people found out about it?

If these guys are your role models, you need to get new ones, because they epitomize creepiness, which is never attractive, in any generation.

The thing that's wrong with this isn't that some long-overdue bad things happened to some very creepy dudes, but that a woman's word is now considered sacrosanct in court. That's f ucking dangerous. In fact, it's even more reason to forego engaging in transactional sex. You think Harvey couldn't have gotten laid, if he'd stayed in better shape, and hadn't whined so f ucking much? He could've had sugar babies all over town, and it still would've been a form of transactional sex(though a less loathsome form), and not one of his sugar babies could've accused him of rape. He might've lost half his s hit in court, but at least he would've had some self-respect, and wouldn't be on his way to die in prison.

You know what this all reminds me of? It reminds me of convicts who complain about being in prison, because they were unjustly prosecuted, not because they're innocent, but because they were supposedly singled out? They knew what they were doing was illegal, and they knew the legal consequences if they got caught, but it's someone else's fault they got caught.

People just need to get over this s hit, and stop resenting what they want for not wanting them back. If you're 5'2", you just aren't going to have as many sexual opportunities as if you were 6'2". If you're ugly you won't get laid as much as if you were handsome. If you're athletic, girls will give you more sexual attention than if you're dumpy and awkward. If you're rich, girls will pursue you more than if you're a homeless hobo. That's just life. Adapt.
 
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If these guys are your role models, you need to get new ones, because they epitomize creepiness, which is never attractive, in any generation.
You sure like to write, though it seems you are less fond of reading. If you were, you would have noticed that I called Weinstein a pervert and a loser.

The thing that's wrong with this isn't that some long-overdue bad things happened to some very creepy dudes, but that a woman's word is now considered sacrosanct in court. That's f ucking dangerous. In fact, it's even more reason to forego engaging in transactional sex.
That we agree on.

You think Harvey couldn't have gotten laid, if he'd stayed in better shape, and hadn't whined so f ucking much? He could've had sugar babies all over town, and it still would've been a form of transactional sex(though a less loathsome form), and not one of his sugar babies could've accused him of rape. He might've lost half his s hit in court, but at least he would've had some self-respect, and wouldn't be on his way to die in prison.
WTF are you talking about? How is having "sugar babies" any less "loathsome" than having sex with an aspiring actress in exchange for a movie role? What's the difference anyway? In the former case, you are paying money for sex. In the latter case, you are providing non-monetary benefits in exchange for sex. Same deal. And what makes you think that a "sugar baby" could not accuse a sugar daddy of rape? Your logic is truly puzzling.
 
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How is having "sugar babies" any less "loathsome" than having sex with an aspiring actress in exchange for a movie role? What's the difference anyway? In the former case, you are paying money for sex. In the latter case, you are providing non-monetary benefits in exchange for sex. Same deal. And what makes you think that a "sugar baby" could not accuse a sugar daddy of rape? Your logic is truly puzzling.
The casting couch isn't a permanent dwelling. Putting a mistress up in an apartment is a completely different arrangement. Still transactional, but much safer, because there's implied consent; whereas, a job interview/casting-call implies nothing but interest in a job. A mistress selling that she's the victim is a much tougher sell than an actress who came for a part, and ended up being pressured into parting her legs.

If you ask me, the reason Harvey went for the casting couch, instead of putting a stable of mistresses up in apartments was because he was lazy, cheap(he still paid them, but with the studios money), and impulsive...and, ultimately, stupid.
 

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The casting couch isn't a permanent dwelling. Putting a mistress up in an apartment is a completely different arrangement. Still transactional, but much safer, because there's implied consent; whereas, a job interview/casting-call implies nothing but interest in a job. A mistress selling that she's the victim is a much tougher sell than an actress who came for a part, and ended up being pressured into parting her legs.

If you ask me, the reason Harvey went for the casting couch, instead of putting a stable of mistresses up in apartments was because he was lazy, cheap(he still paid them, but with the studios money), and impulsive...and, ultimately, stupid.
By that logic, you should not have sex with any woman you're not married to or, at minimum, in a long term relationship with. Because a wife or long-term GF saying that she's a victim of sexual assault is a much tougher sell than some girl you met at a bar two weeks ago. Except....the law doesn't work like that anymore. A wife or long term GF can press charges for sexual assault. It happens all the time.

As for the sugar baby thing, surely a pretty young thing would have no trouble convincing a jury filled with old-timers like yourself that she was manipulated into the arrangement by a conniving rich SOB and that she was naive and impressionable and thought that the sponsor just wanted to help a struggling college student/instagram model out of the goodness of his heart and did not expect anything in return....And how dare that creep expect sexual favours just because he rents a condo and pays a car lease??
 

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By that logic, you should not have sex with any woman you're not married to or, at minimum, in a long term relationship with. Because a wife or long-term GF saying that she's a victim of sexual assault is a much tougher sell than some girl you met at a bar two weeks ago. Except....the law doesn't work like that anymore. A wife or long term GF can press charges for sexual assault. It happens all the time.

As for the sugar baby thing, surely a pretty young thing would have no trouble convincing a jury filled with old-timers like yourself that she was manipulated into the arrangement by a conniving rich SOB and that she was naive and impressionable and thought that the sponsor just wanted to help a struggling college student/instagram model out of the goodness of his heart and did not expect anything in return....And how dare that creep expect sexual favours just because he rents a condo and pays a car lease??
Now, you're just being argumentative and absurd.
 

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Now, you're just being argumentative and absurd.
What's absurd is the argument that you are making. You are trying to argue that having a long-term prostitute is somehow safer than a one-time arrangement. But you don't have any data to back that up, not to mention that the argument is counterintuitive.
 

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What's absurd is the argument that you are making. You are trying to argue that having a long-term prostitute is somehow safer than a one-time arrangement. But you don't have any data to back that up, not to mention that the argument is counterintuitive.
How many guys can you name who went to prison for keeping a mistress in an apartment? I rest my case.
 
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How many guys can you name who went to prison for keeping a mistress in an apartment? I rest my case.
Google is your friend. No shortage of example of mistresses accusing men of rape.
 

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Google is your friend. No shortage of example of mistresses accusing men of rape.
That's not an answer? Who can you name who went to prison for having a mistress, a mistress living in a separate residence paid for by the man she sent to prison?
 
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