"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Handling hot but uninteresting females?

mark123

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So i recently chatted up an HB8-9 online and she seemed really receptive. Got her # within 5-6 emails, and basically wanted to get her "offline". She was like "feel free to reach me anytime :)".

In the emails, she was asking questions back, basically seeming reciprocative. But texting her is a challenge. No, i am NOT going overboard with texting - just exhanged 5-6 texts with her for the first time today. I cracked a couple of witty jokes and she laughed as well, but she doesn't initiate conversation back. Just replies to what I ask, and it is up to me to ask ques/comment to keep the convo going. Basically a boring conversationalist.

Don't think it is a ques of IL so much, because this was our first text exchange. But i don't want to "chase" her and literally went cold after her last deadpan answer.

Anyone handled this before?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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mark123 said:
So i recently chatted up an HB8-9 online and she seemed really receptive. Got her # within 5-6 emails, and basically wanted to get her "offline". She was like "feel free to reach me anytime :)".

In the emails, she was asking questions back, basically seeming reciprocative. But texting her is a challenge. No, i am NOT going overboard with texting - just exhanged 5-6 texts with her for the first time today. I cracked a couple of witty jokes and she laughed as well, but she doesn't initiate conversation back. Just replies to what I ask, and it is up to me to ask ques/comment to keep the convo going. Basically a boring conversationalist.

Don't think it is a ques of IL so much, because this was our first text exchange. But i don't want to "chase" her and literally went cold after her last deadpan answer.

Anyone handled this before?

It sounds to me like this situation is destined to go cold.

Ideally with online dating, you want to get the number no later than the 3rd email.

1st Email: "Hey, i noticed you liked (blank). Awesome. Blah blah blah.
2nd Email: "Cool. How long have you been living around here? What do you do for fun?
3rd email: We should get a drink some time. What's your number?

I can't imagine keeping conversation interesting over 5 to 6 emails. And then, once you got her number, you follow it up by texting her 6 times in a day. You talk to this complete stranger more than I talk to my mother.

I know, I know...you're trying to build rapport. But that's what the date is for. See, here's the thing about online dating - It's full of flakes, and attention wh0res, and time-wasters. So if you have a girl who you think is interested, make her prove it. You don't want to waste a month emailing and texting a girl 300 times just to find out she isn't serious about meeting you. You could have found that out after 3 emails. And trust me, these girls absolutely will take pleasure in making you a text-buddy with no intention of ever meeting you.

All hope is not lost. Ask this girl for a real-life meetup. If she gives excuses, or some "I'm busy with school for 2 weeks" bullsh*t, then move on. But you don't need to communicate this much to get an interested girl to meet you. (key word is interested)
 

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Iceberg said:
It sounds to me like this situation is destined to go cold.

Ideally with online dating, you want to get the number no later than the 3rd email.

1st Email: "Hey, i noticed you liked (blank). Awesome. Blah blah blah.
2nd Email: "Cool. How long have you been living around here? What do you do for fun?
3rd email: We should get a drink some time. What's your number?

I can't imagine keeping conversation interesting over 5 to 6 emails. And then, once you got her number, you follow it up by texting her 6 times in a day. You talk to this complete stranger more than I talk to my mother.

I know, I know...you're trying to build rapport. But that's what the date is for. See, here's the thing about online dating - It's full of flakes, and attention wh0res, and time-wasters. So if you have a girl who you think is interested, make her prove it. You don't want to waste a month emailing and texting a girl 300 times just to find out she isn't serious about meeting you. You could have found that out after 3 emails. And trust me, these girls absolutely will take pleasure in making you a text-buddy with no intention of ever meeting you.

All hope is not lost. Ask this girl for a real-life meetup. If she gives excuses, or some "I'm busy with school for 2 weeks" bullsh*t, then move on. But you don't need to communicate this much to get an interested girl to meet you. (key word is interested)
Thanks Iceberg.

Actually, I didn't clarify -- when i said 5-6 emails/texts, i meant in total between us - so about 3 each. I normally go for the number in my 3rd or 4th email max.

You're right - I def see where you're going with this. I have had some success with some women through texts before our date, but i think im just applying it to everybody flat out. Maybe i need to identify "types" and extend/curtail texting based on their behavior

I agree with you that asking her out to build rapport is the way to go. Will give that a shot. She def doesn't seem coy and I think of late i have been too hung about about preparing women's minds for sex before the meetup....
 
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