"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Had one great date, then nada

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MacAvoy said:
It makes perfect sense to me. She doesn't like him and thought she would do the honourable thing and tell him instead of standing him up and not showing up for the day.
MacAvoy,

You are absolutely right. That message she left made no sense, but I couldnt' tell who had said it. It was her and she is actually telling you straight out, she is not interested, just didn't know how to tell you after spending 6 hours with you. This is a bufette (sp), so move on to a clean plate.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Taken from another thread:

tsmith's response to flaking

"Turn the tables...

After the flake, get in touch with her and tell her you're sorry it didn't work out. Don't set anything in stone, but tell her you'll call her the next day, that weekend, etc. When exactly isn't important, but give her a specific timeframe. Then... don't call. Even the playing field. She's not 100% reliable, so why should you be? You've got important things to do too, and she's no longer your top priority.

Iniate contact again, no apology neccesary. Only acknowledge your flaking if she brings it up, and just say "I didn't think we definitely had plans, my bad". Ask her if she wants to hang out again and follow-through this time.

Works like a charm."

As to why you're giving her a "second chance"... people flake. Especially beautiful women in high demand. It happens in LTRs, even marriages. It's part of life.
 
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tsmith2334 said:
Six hours sounds like overkill for a first date.
6 hours is like 2-3 dates rolled into one. It isn't recommanded unless you know exectly what you are doing.

After 6 hours If you didn't end up in a hot tub somewhere, making out like crazy and had your hands all over her goodies then IT WAS OVERKILL. There has to be a certain balance between being friendly and going after her ass, and if you become too friendly for too long then you will become a friend forever.

Don't over do it on the first date, always make sure you end up leaving her wanting more, unless she begs for you to fvck her right there and then.:D
 

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thirdtimescharm said:
"sorry I just got your message but I'm not a stander-upper, even though I just got stood up....but, I just don't think maybe it's a good idea, be well and have a good night."

somebody explain to me what the fvck this means
 

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ready123 said:
somebody explain to me what the fvck this means
it means:
i just got your message and want to reply because i dont want someone to think i stood them up, but i do not feel like going out with you tonight because i, myself, just got stood up by someone else tonight and i just don't feel like leaving the house.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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thirdtimescharm said:
"sorry I just got your message but I'm not a stander-upper, even though I just got stood up....but, I just don't think maybe it's a good idea, be well and have a good night."
Oh man. OK I know what she was trying to say but the way she said it doesn't make sense.


"I'm not a stander-upper" that doesn't make sense

"even though I just got stood up" who did you get stood up by? why would he care?
 

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Sounds like you thought the date was a lot better than she did..
 

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oh god why are you confused as to why she flaked???

1) u did not try to kiss her. You tried to be some PUA tactics clown focusing on convo, kino, venu, c+f, negs, and whatever else u did for 6 hours....but u didnt kiss her. SHE WANTS A MAN THAT WILL NOT ONLY KISS HER, BUT WILL ALSO MAKE HER SO HORNY THAT SHE WILL WANT TO SLEEP WITH HIM

2) #1 covers it all

next time, dont be a pvssy and actually be sexual like a MAN
 

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Effington said:
Sounds like you thought the date was a lot better than she did..

its classic chump AFC thinking, to think that a date went 10 times better than it really did

its not a good date unless you at the very least make out passionately, and most preferably, have amazing orgasmic naughty sex

women dont need some chump guy to talk to, they already have enough of those
 

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AFC Savior said:
1) u did not try to kiss her. You tried to be some PUA tactics clown focusing on convo, kino, venu, c+f, negs, and whatever else u did for 6 hours....but u didnt kiss her. SHE WANTS A MAN THAT WILL NOT ONLY KISS HER, BUT WILL ALSO MAKE HER SO HORNY THAT SHE WILL WANT TO SLEEP WITH HIM
Though Skip Jr. is crude, abrassive and obnoxious as fvck, he does make a point.

It appears you performed every monkey/robotic move in the PUA manual except the one thing that counts; Exude your sexuality and use your aggressiveness to take the initiative. It's quite possible she had a wonderful time but by neglecting to step ahead of her ever so slightly she chose to pass on anything in the future. The fact that she let you know that she wasn't interested is a plus on her part as she did not lead you on and nipped your further advances in the ass. This is what you should have done brother.

next time, dont be a pvssy and actually be sexual like a MAN
This statement pisses me off more than anything else. THIS is pure AFC speak. You'll tell a man to "be a man" but will not give him a positive example or suggestion as to go about getting there. These AFC euphamisms are trite and show that the speaker knows less about the subject than the person who started the conversation.

Lead by example. Don't say it, dear boy, DO IT!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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MacAvoy said:
It makes perfect sense to me. She doesn't like him and thought she would do the honourable thing and tell him instead of standing him up and not showing up for the day.
I have not called her back as yet, as I have been mostly busy meeting other women and since she showed a lack of interest, I mostly moved on. I will say that while it was "nice" of her to actually call me back, I felt that "it isn't a good idea" was pretty senseless. I mean, if you are going to call and cancel, saying "I have to wash my hair" would have at least been useful and I would have had a clear understanding of being nexted. Her response just left me shrugging. Probably a wasted of time in any case.
 

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its classic chump AFC thinking, to think that a date went 10 times better than it really did

its not a good date unless you at the very least make out passionately, and most preferably, have amazing orgasmic naughty sex

women dont need some chump guy to talk to, they already have enough of those

I agree, and actually, what I wanted to tell her on a call back was just that...that the only thing wrong with the date was that I wasn't able to get closer to her (the club we were at had these very separate chairs, made it hard to get extremely cozy). We did have a great kiss when we got back to her place, but with the kid upstairs, nothing was going to happen (and she told me early on that it would take a while before she introduced the kid to anyone).
 
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