had 2 dates, asking for interpretation

[KinkyMan]

had 2 dates about a month ago with this girl, tried some kino but she seemed to react negatively so i got none farther, i was like fuk it and i called her 2 days after the second date when i was going to a bar to see a band and she just said she was too tired -so i just told her to call me sometime, she did a couple days later and so i called her back and told her the next time i would call, did that again, then today planned out just a coffee date

i guess what im trying to decide is whether i should ask her to come back to my place and watch a movie, and then go for kiss


the way i closed the previous dates was basically putting my arm around her and saying i had a good time, but going for kiss just didnt seem right, i would say she failed the "kiss test"

im pretty sure i dont want a real serious relationship with her or anybody right now, so basically i just want a FB. she is really shy which i cant decide if i really want, she dosent drink or go to parties and this i do believe. Up to and at the first date (until she bought her meal without giving me a chance to offer) she seemed to just do what i wanted and mirrored me, the next date was movie, and i didnt even offer to pay, then i offered to get snacks -she said no thanks, then when i was in line she was in line getting coffee and she lost our seats!! she is definately wierd

she says some stuff that im pretty sure she is just saying to trick me but its fun anyways like on aim yesterday (i wasnt away heh)
-granted we were previously talking about her tests, i think she meant this doublely

her "you are useless to me"
me "true, all i can give you is false hopes"
her "well i guess ill have to work with that, for now"


i donno, another post to feed my ego

thanks for replies / opinions

whatever happens, i wanna make this it for me, either something or nothing, should i pay for the stinky coffee as a test? im probably putting too much importance into the whole paying or not

 

[belividere]

from personal experience the quicker you let her know that you are looking for more than a friendship the quicker you will realize what you have. If at the end of the second date you haven't kissed her yet than what do you have to lose? Go in for it and judge her reaction. Based on her interaction determine if it was a pity kiss or a worthy passionate kiss. At this point it is usually one or the other. If you are uncertain the phone call afterwards will usually give you a better idea. For your own sake dont use techiques as the best way to consider a deal closed. Close the deal and then work from there. Kino might not have worked in a very public place but kissing her at her doorway could be a different story. You're better off starting high and ending lower than starting low and ending nowhere.

 

[JackPrescott]

Great advice. It seems to me this woman is uninterested. Kino her and go for a PASSIONATE "lover's" kiss, if she is unresponsive, toss her into the "dead letter office," AKA the "platonic pile"....

By the third date, there should be at least a kiss, or the woman wants another male girlfriend. By the third date, she should know if she wants to sleep with you or not.

 

[KinkyMan]

update

ok heres the update

coffee, good convo
got her to go to my place for movie

she kept playfully hitting me and we had loads of kino but nothing really sensual, and one point she took my phone and i had to try to wrestle it out of her (should have kissed her then probably)

anyways i think she totally rejected me


during the close:
i offered her an altoid and she declines and asked if i was trying to tell her something, then i offered again and she took it

anyways i drop her off and offer to walk her to her room, she declines saying "its messy" and i offer again and she declines, i get half way out of the car and she declines, i tell her bye, she smiles and waves, i half ass wave and drive off

it certainly sounds like death but for some reason i just think this girl is into me, i still didnt go for the kiss but i think the offering to walk her up is enough -what do you think

i guess im done with this one and need to find more opportunities, cause im out right now, fuk

 

[Skullcrusher]

Wash my toilet.