"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Guys who approach girls- DONT FORGET THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

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This is a pretty obvious thing im gonna say here, yet no one (at least not those who post approach journals) seem to follow it:

ALWAYS ASK FOR THE NUMBER!!!

Look at it this way - you've already conquered your fear and approached the girl, and even talked to her a lil bit.......yet you still eject - WHY? UR NEVER GONNA SEE THIS GIRL AGAIN!!! you have absolutely NOTHING to lose by ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS askin the girl for her cell # before u eject.

U may think u dont have rapport or the girl is not interested, but so the **** what??? still just ask for ur #, DONT reject urself, let HER reject u!!!!


The following has actually happened to me - My friend and I came to eat at a restaurant, the hostess was really cute, so we asked to see the menu b4 eating there cuz we never been there b4.......we looked, didnt like anythign we saw, and as I was handing the menu back, the girl said "so, table for 2?"
And I said "nah we're not gonna eat here but hey gimme ur # ill call u"

SHE GAVE ME THE GODDAMN #!!! imagine that - 0 rapport, 0 convo, and i got her # (we then introduced ourselves and talked for a minute after she gave me her #)

we ended up going on a date where we kissed alot, but back then i had AFC'sh tendencies and after date 1 i musta blew it cuz she "got back with her ex"

i COULD have not asked for her #, but wtf i wasnt ever gonna see her again, so I just went for it.

Let that example be a lesson to all u guys who approach girls - ALWAYS ASK FOR HER PHONE # BEFORE YOU PART WAYS NO MATTER HOW THE PICKUP IS GOING
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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f*ck asking for the number, just SBAP AND PYCO
 

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skip2mylou781 said:
The following has actually happened to me - My friend and I came to eat at a restaurant, the hostess was really cute, so we asked to see the menu b4 eating there cuz we never been there b4.......we looked, didnt like anythign we saw, and as I was handing the menu back, the girl said "so, table for 2?"
And I said "nah we're not gonna eat here but hey gimme ur # ill call u"

SHE GAVE ME THE GODDAMN #!!! imagine that - 0 rapport, 0 convo, and i got her # (we then introduced ourselves and talked for a minute after she gave me her #)
Sure you did...sure you did!

And Dr Beard single handedly took on a load of police whilst doing a chick over a car.
 

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waitresses are payed to be polite, she might even of given you the restaurant number!
 

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I've seen skips picture, he's not that ugly.

You guys really have a hard time seeing it from the females perspective. It's not that hard, you won't lose your **** relax.

If a alright looking clean looking chick came up to you and was interested I doubt you wouldn't give your number if you didn't have the right "rapport".

This is how I can tell skip actually does get out there. You KBJ thinking and analyzing a bunch of **** about what's she's thinking.. when really she is just looking at how hot you are. That's all she can tell from a first impression anyways. It's not like you've been friends for a long time and she can develop a crush and feel attraction. She just sees you, goes "Alright this guy looks good enough." and gives the number. You KBJ just think too much into it, just stop being ugly and grab your balls.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Doggystyle said:
waitresses are payed to be polite, she might even of given you the restaurant number!
she gave me her cell # and we went on a date - read it right my man


and as for Jariel's comment, well ive learned to accept that all the biggest flames are from the UK
 
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This is a good thread. But, should we play number's games on this, and start doing this with HB's 3 and up? Even people passing by on the street? Would we say, hey girl, write your number here? Or hey girl, dont walk out on me like that (as she passes by) write your number here?
 
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sup man

skip2mylou781 said:
she gave me her cell # and we went on a date - read it right my man


and as for Jariel's comment, well ive learned to accept that all the biggest flames are from the UK
Whats up skip...

I will ask a girl for her number EVEN IF I DONT LIKE HER, just for the sake of asking :) Cause its PART OF MY NATURE now ;)
 
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I commit to ask at least one girl a day that I come across for their number, and each day, one further girl than the previous day.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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lol i dont care if hes respected mr elor (another UK citizen btw), the fact is all he ever does is FLAME and doesnt actually give advice - its not an accomplishment to be respected by fellow losers


i on the other hand seem to be respected by guys who r good with girls, as they seem to respond positive to my threads, while the same 3 or 4 losers always flame
 

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Skip actually knows what he's talking about.

It's easy to tell the KBJ from the guys who go out. You can tell even from the way they type, the experience they have.

The guys that usually come up with messed up theories that are all complicated and with amazing structured paragraphs and **** are KBJ.

The guys that come on here with bad grammer, but talk about their experiences that actually happen in the real world are guys that go out. Usually their advice is unrealisticly simplified, but it's usually without bull****. These guys usually don't look weird either.
 

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Bvbidd said:
Skip actually knows what he's talking about.

It's easy to tell the KBJ from the guys who go out. You can tell even from the way they type, the experience they have.

The guys that usually come up with messed up theories that are all complicated and with amazing structured paragraphs and **** are KBJ.

The guys that come on here with bad grammer, but talk about their experiences that actually happen in the real world are guys that go out. Usually their advice is unrealisticly simplified, but it's usually without bull****. These guys usually don't look weird either.

Thats quite the stereotype you've got there Bv. So you're saying if I have bad grammar I am a player, and if i have good grammar, I'm a keyboard jockey. Well sir, if thats the case, I'd rather be a keyboard jockey. I'd much rather live life knowing I'm smart and intellectual, than a dumba$$ that can't speak intellegently.
 

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People who post with bad spelling, and ghetto-bonics are just morons, they may be good with women or not. Same thing with people who can form sentences and paragraphs in proper English. they may be good or bad with women, at least they don't come across as morons.

There seems to be a whole lot of obvious yet lame crap posted by skip2mylew, then to call others KBJ is just a little hypocritical.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Actually Skip2mylou is right. Jariel brags about how good looking he is and how he used to be a male model. He also talks about how cold approaches are bad and you should only talk to people in your social circle.
 

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personally, i dont care wat any of u losers who r flaming r thinking - im just here to give advice to those who want it/need it.....if u dont like it then fvck off and go fvck some chicks
 
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Well skip, I guess I'll commit on this post as well, lol, the fifth one in 2 days, lol.

Yeah, the premise is :"What do I have to lose by asking for her number?" That's a great premise, but actually you DO have something to lose.

TIME.

I am not against getting girl's numbers, I am against walking up to chicks, saying a few words, and grabbing her number. The fact is, about 75% of chicks do this right now. There is no difficutly in getting a girl's number. There is no separation. I hang with a chick, that literally, gives her number out to any guy who asks for it. They do it for the attention. Not all, but most of them.

Getting a number, isn't an accomplishment nor a progression to sex. What you want to do on the encounter, is get her to LUST AFTER YOU. Get her aroused to the point, where you literally HAVE TO END THE CONVERSATION, because she won't, and NOWWWWW.....give her YOUR NUMBER, and also you can grab hers. I usually love to give her my number and tell her when to call, they always follow through, because they are wanting me currently.

A girl wants to feel like SHE IS SEDUCING YOU, not you seducing her. Two summers ago skip, I kid you not buddy, I created something called the, "Player List." Where I would go out and grab girl's numbers after talking to them for like 2 minutes. No rapport, no lust, no attraction, no nothing. I went out and got about 60 numbers, called them all, and the ALLLL flaked. Every single, god damn one of them.

So I learned, that it's not the phone number that you fvck, it's the girl. Get HER LUSTING after you to the point where now you give her your number as a reward or treat, you also get hers "just as a side thing" but she's the one doing the chasing, because I TELL HER when to call, and she always does about 80% of the time.

But skip, keep grabbing the pvssy bro!

DJF
 

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0/60?? wow i hope no one whos doing cold approaching sees that cuz that mtie discourage them - but i see wat ur saying definitely, but i see guys here with their approach journals and they say how they talk to a girl for 10 minuets and then eject without gettin her # and i feel thats TOTALLY RIDICULOUSLY LAME, hence i thought id remind everyone who does approaching that its better to ask for the # in the end than not ask for it - u waste 3 seconds saying "gimme ur #" and u increase ur chances of gettin some from 0% (cuz ull never see or hear from her again) to X% (better than 0)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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