so I'm still at the party I went to, & I'm sitting here & I notice 3 guys with girls next to them but none of them close. not one has asked for a number. most people are pretty liquored up & somewhat touchy, but that's the alcohol talking. what I dont understand is why the guys with these girls don't get the #. they'll walk out of here tonight with what? saying they had their arm around the girl? so what. now no one really interested me so I didn't close. I'm not a smoker and there were too many girls that smoke. I don't date a smoker. anyway I just look at these guys and wonder why they don't close? they look all cool and suave but they'll sit there all night and not do anything. just odd seeing this with my own eyes right now as I type this on my phone.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
guys never close...
- Thread starter Omen
- Start date
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
-HPNOTIQ-
Master Don Juan
The reason a lot of guys don't close is because they forget a cardinal rule with a number close: You need to isolate the girl.
If you ask a girl for her phone number in front of a group of people, she's more likely to feel a sense of pressure if all her homeboys and girlfriends are watching and staring at her while she has a guy hitting on her and asking for her number. Worse yet, one of her homegirls maybe a c*ckblocker that puts added pressure on the girl to leave, not talk to you, not give you a the phone number, or say that you aren't good enough because the gf is just flat out jealous. Fellas think about how many times have you gone to a club or a party and the HOTTEST girl there always hangs around the ugly, fat, nasty b*tch that always plays the c*ckblocker game.
Never number close in front of a group of ppl. The haters will try to shoot down your game EVERYTIME.
In this situation, its great to say - "hey, let's go outside away from this LOUD music so we can talk"
The benefit here that it is away from the haters, the sh*t talkers, the pressure....she cant be more relaxed to receive KINO, suggestions, and the number close because no one else can see what she's doing. Privacy is golden.
If you ask a girl for her phone number in front of a group of people, she's more likely to feel a sense of pressure if all her homeboys and girlfriends are watching and staring at her while she has a guy hitting on her and asking for her number. Worse yet, one of her homegirls maybe a c*ckblocker that puts added pressure on the girl to leave, not talk to you, not give you a the phone number, or say that you aren't good enough because the gf is just flat out jealous. Fellas think about how many times have you gone to a club or a party and the HOTTEST girl there always hangs around the ugly, fat, nasty b*tch that always plays the c*ckblocker game.
Never number close in front of a group of ppl. The haters will try to shoot down your game EVERYTIME.
In this situation, its great to say - "hey, let's go outside away from this LOUD music so we can talk"
The benefit here that it is away from the haters, the sh*t talkers, the pressure....she cant be more relaxed to receive KINO, suggestions, and the number close because no one else can see what she's doing. Privacy is golden.
Well since it was a party where everyone was really close as in the same room, and after it dwindled, yeah I was watching every move, and i'll guarantee they didnt close. And not only that, some of these women went back and forth all night. They'd be setting by so and so, then move to another guy, and all did the same thing. They all got close and that was it.Ratisson said:
One guy at the very end I was actually listening too. So i'm talking to this pretty blond, and I didnt go to college.... blah blah and this guy carried on with this woman for 45min or longer. Then tells his buddies... I'm doing good with this one, so leave without me and come back and get me. And if not, i'll find a way home (this is like at 4am)
And the guy was your average joe, kind of heavy, bald and 25. Truth be told I dont think he got where he wanted to get. I heard pretty much everything the guy said, and it was just interesting to see how some guys do it. I told his friend... I would have closed her a long time ago. Good thing he isn't onthe Keys to the VIP and has to close and get her # in 3min.
Again a smoker, and not for me, but it was fun to watch after the crowd thinned. I was just tired and decided to post this topic as I was watching all the guys. I could see everyone where I was setting. Arm around that girl, arm around this girl, but not once did I hear... Lets go elsewhere and talk to try and take her away from the distraction, and not once did I see a phone come out of the pocket, nor did I see a piece of paper come out.
So yeah, i'm pretty sure.
I just think there are a lot more guys out there who only do it half way than we think. I saw 4 or 5 last night. Girl would talk to another guy, move on, move on, and its like some went full rounds.
Come to think of it, though I didn't want to pick up most the women there, I think I was the smoothest. lol.
Oh well, none the less, it was a good experience just watching guys interact with women. After you read things on here, some of the e-books and what not, you can actually see it being done (the wrong way) and it was pretty fascinating.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
If you never attempt to close, you're never risk the chance of rejection; simple.
-HPNOTIQ-
Master Don Juan
If her IL in you is high, it doesn't matter how or where you do your number close. Hell, you don't have to listen to any of this DJ advice if her IL is high in you. There are plenty of AFC guys that don't know a thing about being a DJ, but, they succeed because the woman's IL is high in him. If its high enough, you can number close or f-close if you want. ONS are proof positive of this. But, my advice is given to 'increase' a guy's success in a number close if her IL is moderate.Ostepop said:
You have to remember, most women are truely AFCs. They walk around asking "is my hair ok, does this dress make me look fat, am i pretty enough, blah blah blah" -- they are essentially looking for validation.
If a girl you meet at a club has someone good IL in you, but, her friends give her a negative validation -- forget getting the number bud. You have a better shot at the same girl if she was isolated from her 'pack' of hater chicks. Women are bigger c*ckblockers than men just because they can't stand when other men approach their friends and not them.
If you have the luck and opportunity to meet the alpha female of the group and she's showing high IL, I guarantee the rest of the girls will also have high IL in you as well. You can number close at will.
Francisco - on rejection...you nailed it right there. I think Michael Jordan said that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Very true.
Well I took a break for a second and just sat down to relax and had to post what I was observing in the fieldNoob said:sitting at a party posting threads on sosuave is kinda lame man. i hate girls that smoke, wont stop me from ****ing them at partys though
I guess there is a plus side huh. lol You can do more than kiss them.I guess I can see how that would be true. If you dont close then you dont have to worry about being shut down, and you can still be number 1 cause you didnt get rejected.DonJuan11 said:
And the thing was, these few girls were NOT anything spectacular. Anyone should have been able to close them.
Thatfeel21
Senior Don Juan
your first priority should be to f-close or at least kiss close...if not possible, then settle for the number...kinda like it being 3rd and 10 at the 20yd line, mines well go for the t-down, if nah, then go for the 3pts...as far as ppl being around you, it shouldnt matter, if your confidence is high enough ppl will only admire you
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Another thought about this subject is also how big of a factor is it according to where you live?
Lets say you're comparing guys of the Midwest to guys in New York, Boston or DC.
DC is a big night life place, but if you end up in a mid-sized place say in Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, etc etc you may not be used to that type of lifestyle. Even being in Colorado is a huge difference than being in Kansas, or certain parts of Missouri (near Kansas City) or say St Louis.
I can say that where I am at, there is NOTHING that compares to the East Coast. Everything from clothing and shopping to the night life. Night life barely exists where I am at. Sure there are a handful of places, but what you'd find in the whole city you'd find in a block on the East Coast. And the type of places too are no where NEAR as upscale as places in the East.
So i'm thinking that maybe some guys aren't around that lifestyle enough. The guys have no experience and when they go to a party they dont know what to do. They really haven't been out in the field.
Any thoughts on this?
Lets say you're comparing guys of the Midwest to guys in New York, Boston or DC.
DC is a big night life place, but if you end up in a mid-sized place say in Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, etc etc you may not be used to that type of lifestyle. Even being in Colorado is a huge difference than being in Kansas, or certain parts of Missouri (near Kansas City) or say St Louis.
I can say that where I am at, there is NOTHING that compares to the East Coast. Everything from clothing and shopping to the night life. Night life barely exists where I am at. Sure there are a handful of places, but what you'd find in the whole city you'd find in a block on the East Coast. And the type of places too are no where NEAR as upscale as places in the East.
So i'm thinking that maybe some guys aren't around that lifestyle enough. The guys have no experience and when they go to a party they dont know what to do. They really haven't been out in the field.
Any thoughts on this?
Thatfeel21
Senior Don Juan
i feel you on that Omen, like my profile says, im on the east coast, i have philly and NY city right next to me and D.C. a couple hours away... i tell ya its a lot more looser over here lol the chicks arent as tough to get bedded...the east coast is far more advanced on clothing...shirts and jeans ppl n jersey have BEEN wearing, ppl in Cali are JUST starting to wear