Guys, Don't Waste Your Time & Money at Bars & Clubs - Here's Why

[Eugene__]

Hi,

Any further info on this topic? I feel it's important to keep this thread going, because the changing nightclub landscape has received very little attention in the blogosphere. Clubs are totally not what they used to be even as recently as 2 yrs ago, and no one seems to have zeroed in on this change or been able to explain it, with the exception of this thread.

I went to Lake Havasu a few weeks ago. Even popular spring break destinations are becoming ATROCIOUS. 6-8:1 is common and I'm not even joking.

That tells me there's a demographic shift of some kind, which is a new development. I'm sorry, but if a regular spring break event is a sausage fest, that means there's just not enough girls in the population, which is a demographics issue.

There has been some reference to that in the latest Census 2010 data. According to this article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43183380/ns/us_news-life/), the Male/Female ratio in the US has increased over the past decade, reaching 96.7 from 96.3. The difference looks small, but it's actually significant, since we're talking about millions of people. The local effect can be surprisingly acute. I am curious if anyone has looked into the demographic changes that are happening every several years. For example, one reason the 1970s were a paradise for males was because there were huge numbers of young girls in the age range 18-25 around that time.

The Facebook, social media theory is a good one, and that explains about 50% of it.

What I've noticed is there are lots of what I call "mixed cliques" nowadays where guys and girls hang out together socially. I'm curious if Facebook created this trend. I have never been "friends" with girls so it's totally alien to me. I can't take advantage of that arrangement and so I'm shut out of the new clique-based clubbing. Anybody else in the same boat?

Maybe the economy is the other half, or perhaps, douchebags have just chased the girls away. That's what I've been investigating last few months.

And what have you found? Please share.

 

[spinaroonie]

It’s time to pronounce the death of night game. After having its limbs hacked off and its genitals yanked out by the root for dog food, night game has finally shuffled off this mortal coil to that big swank discotheque in the sky. If you just discovered this ‘sphere and are reading up on the best shotgun negs to use on a HB7.5, you’re already behind the curve. The minute you step out of the cab, you’re going to get slaughtered.

I myself have gradually lost interest in the game over the past year, which is why I’ve haven’t felt motivated to write about this. Nonetheless, the fact that my nightlife observations are being backed up by individuals as diverse as TMWW, The Rookie, Raliv, and Assanova is more than a little frightening. Here’s is why I say night game is dead, based on my barhopping adventures over the past few months in the Capital Region and other burgs in the not-so-great American Northeast:

1) More **** than a rooster farm. I’m not exaggerating when I say the ratio of penises to vaginas in any given bar on a weekend night is 8 to 1. It’s wall-to-wall braciola parties from the Hudson to the quads. Women, being the risk-averse creatures that they are, have been frightened away from the nightlife circuit by the crummy economy. If you live in the northern U.S., Canada or any other region with a winter, you’re even more screwed, because girls REALLY don’t like going out in the cold. And if you live in an area with a lot of snowfall, God help you. The eastern part of New York state from NYC to the Canadian border isn’t so bad in this regard, but if you live west of Amsterdam, you can forget about getting laid until Easter. When the snow is falling, the gals don’t come calling.

2) More douche then a supermarket feminine hygiene aisle. A typical Friday night in the Capital Region looks like Jersey Shore, only this isn’t Jersey and there’s no shore. Ed Hardy threads, tribal tattoos, popped collars, and other markers of douchiness abound. And every single one of these ‘roid-raging Doucha-Loompas is competing against you to see who can win the slut’s heart and defile her in the loo. You can’t win. You try, and you’ll just get drowned in an ocean of gelled-haired duckfaced fist-pumping.

3) More female detritus than People of Walmart. When the economy’s bad and leaving your house entails digging your car out of four feet of snow in -5 degree weather, only a certain type of woman is willing to endure the trials and tribulations of going out – the kind of woman you wouldn’t **** with your dog’s ****. Fatties, fuglies, drug addicts, and dipsomaniacs puking on their own shoes are who you get the pleasure of trying to boff now. And on the off chance you do find a bangable girl, you’ll have to contend with every Pauly D wannabe in the city who’s trying to get in her pants before you do. All this fawning male attention won’t get her any closer to anyone’s bedroom, but it WILL engorge her ego until she’s crushing hapless douchebags in her Roche limit.

4) Girls who are less attentive and outgoing then an autistic kindergartener bombed on Red Bull. So you aren’t intimidated by the bratwurst-swinging hordes, you can douche it up with the best of them, and you don’t mind porking porkers. Even with all that in your favor, you might as well warm up your porn stash, because you are going home alone Friday night. Mr. Douchey McChubbylover, you simply cannot compete with the greatest piece of chick crack ever invented – the iPhone.

I decree Steve Jobs to be the biggest ****blocker in human history. In the good old days when cell phones were overpriced walkie-talkies, people who went out on the weekend were forced to engage with the world around them. As late as two years ago, you could introduce yourself to a girl and be assured that you could carry on a civil conversation for at least fifteen minutes. You might not get the lay or even a number, but you could put in a decent effort.

No more. The minute the girlies get to the bar, they whip out their iPhones and start texting all their friends to tell them where they are. Then the whole gang shows up and they all turn a deaf ear to everyone else save for the bartender. Try and introduce yourself? They’ll give you the cold shoulder. Get talking to a girl on her own? Her fat friend will pull her away in less than five minutes. You and your pals become fast friends with her and her friends? One of ‘em will suddenly get a text and announce, “Oh, our friends are at [OTHER BAR], so we’ve got to go. Nice meeting you.” I’ve had all this and more happen to me and my friends in the past three months alone, and it’s all due to those ****ing smartphones.

Oh, and did I mention that half the bars and clubs out there have their music cranked up so loud it’s impossible to hold a conversation without screaming at the top of your lungs? Have fun blasting through her ***** shield when your ears are bleeding from the bass.

Nope, night game is done, at least for the time being. You may be heading out looking for a good bad time, but your chances of getting any play are bad unless you’re rich, famous, or lucky. I won’t have to deal with the boorish girls in this city for much longer, but I pity the guys who are stuck here. I predicted over a year ago that nightlife would be dealt a fatal blow by the poor economy:

http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2010/12/20/night-game-is-dead-long-live-night-game/

 

[Tyson420]

There's nothing wrong with clubbing. You just go to get your **** rubbed, if she doesn't like it. No harm done, she knows what clubbing is for. She'll just walk away. Your job is to find a chick with a nice phat ass and get your **** rubbed, thats it. If you can take her home then take her home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hps8CFmP6tY

 

[PRMoon]

Christ I may never leave vegas again if what half of what I've read here is true!..well I'll still go out to cali for weekends but damn is it really THAT bad out there? A newer more expensive night club opens here roughly every 6 months which sounds insane until you factor in we get around 37 million tourist a year and have a substantial population to begin with. I don't go clubbing too often anymore unless theres a table with bottle service or it's work purposes. I rarely go just to go but when I do it's just to socialize with no intent. I mostly stay off strip and hit up local bars and lounges. I do this because thats where the local ****tail waitresses and greeters hang out. They're always down for a god time and will buy you drinks occasionally as well. There it's a whole market here driven strictly towards local entertainment and Nevada has one of the highest percentages of divorced women in the country so I'm never really wanting for anything when I go out. Sh*t just happens around you and the next thing you know, you're set.

 

[BettorOffSingle]

BARS = Badd Attitudes Reign Supreme

What's happening is that with global communication and free agency, the dating market is becoming more EFFICIENT. The nightlife was always for the most desirable men, but "most desirable" used to mean within a small physical area; now it includes global social networking. You have men and women who, twenty years ago, either married off or stayed within small dating pools at their local venues, hitting up the internet to check out EVERYONE, who in turn is checking out them.

I'm beginning to see why the game I run now is so effective. I don't bother going out; no need especially with sites like youtube, where the chicks make VIDEOS that let you check them out, and you can message them directly. SKYPE is also the preferred venue for many women, since you can get face-to-face interaction with no cost and physical risk.

The bad economy should work in FAVOR of men with money to spend, btw, since men are what funds all this stuff. If it's this bad, men should start withholding money from the venues, yet each tries to draw to the inside straight. Why? YOUTUBE IS FREE!! So is Skype. Now if a guy can't make a good presentation on video, what does he really have going for him anyway?

If bars are so bad, all the men who complain about them would be mopping up elsewhere, would they not? They aren't, are they? No, the problems are FREE AGENCY and GLOBALIZATION. The most desirable men will still pull in bars, but they are in their prime and should be pulling anywhere. The rest would do better to build their internet game, but that requires more than simple introductions.

I think it would be a beautiful thing if men started putting bars and clubs out of business with boycotts. Many of the women do shill for these places, BAITING men into going there with "meet me at the club," and they get a cut of the cover charges. This makes sense, as women were giving away something of value (their presence) for free, and that market too is more efficient.

That a few men succeed means nothing. The key statistical question is WHO DIED ALONG THE WAY? For every one guy that "wins," you can find ten who did the same thing and came up empty. The man who doesn't waste his resources on a losing game is the winner, since he stays strong financially, with his time intact.

A good first step for any man who isn't pulling in the nightlife is to STOP FUNDING IT. If enough men do this, the bars and clubs will panic and have to do something to change the odds, though that "something" seems to havebeen emphasizing "VIP" garbage, which makes the average customer more expendable. Even there, not playing a losing game is still the first step towards winning.

There's some FUNKY stuff anyone with a brain could run online, but I'm not giving away my new secrets. In fact, online game is EASIER now than ever if you know what you're doing. Youtube and Skype are just the tip of the iceberg. Of course, when men are convinced that everyone who ever wrote a book has "something to sell" and therefore knows nothing, or that they can figure everything out on their own, perhaps that's the real problem.

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[f283000]

There's nothing wrong with clubbing. You just go to get your **** rubbed, if she doesn't like it. No harm done, she knows what clubbing is for. She'll just walk away. Your job is to find a chick with a nice phat ass and get your **** rubbed, thats it. If you can take her home then take her home.

BINGO!!! You couldn't have put it in simpler words brother.

I agree with a lot of what OP said and what others are saying (too many girls night out where a group of girls dance with themselves and c*ckblock any guy that tries to get in, too many guys for every girl) but what I think it comes down to is this

1. Learn how to dance: Picking up girls in the club is tough but if you look at clubbin as a way to have some fun, dance with some cute girls and get your d|ck rubbed with some grinding like tyson420 said than it's still a whole lot of fun.

I used to look at clubbin as a way to try to meet women but I realized how tough is has become (but still doable).

I think the old way of picking up girls at the club has become too tough (running game on them). Rather what you should be focusing on is learning to how dance, dance with a lot of girls and try to get some #s that way.

Girls love a good dancer. The more you dance with her, the more you touch her body the more likely you are to isolate her. Invite her to go to the 2nd floor to rest and talk a bit, or have a drink or whatever then go for the #.

There's way too many guys at the club (most) who are standing on the sidelines with drink in hand (hoping to pick up a girl but seeing how tough it is they just stand there), while others get on the dance floor trying to grind on any girl they can. You gotta try to dance a bit, put on some moves. You can disarm girls-night-out groups this way by dancing your way into their circle till they accept you (showing that you are there to dance and have fun, not just do dirty grinding on one of their girlfriends).

I have had a lot more fun at the clubs since I changed my mentality from trying to pick up women to just trying to have some fun, dance with a lot of girls and just get my d|ck rubbed like tyson420 said.

 

[spinaroonie]

You may derive some vicarious thrill out of getting your fully clothed **** rubbed by a fully clothed ass.

Most guys are looking to get laid.

 

[thedude4242]

I do not waste any money in clubs. I went to the club on the weekends every weekend for almost two years. I spent about ten dollars maybe fifteen. cell phone and texting along with facebook and stuff ruined dating.

 

[Nutz]

Noobs, you don't go clubbing with guys. You go with a group of women and let them do the heavy lifting for you! Best way to make a million dollars is to start with $2M. Same principle works with women due to preselection/social proof. Get the fundamentals down first and life will be soooo much better in the long run. As for money, bring a couple hotties to the club with you and you don't pay cover, and in many cases they give you free booze. That's how it works in DC anyway.

 

[J Roc]

Fukk Meat Market Bars.I go to nice sized dance clubs by myself and have no problem getting 20+ phone numbers in one night. I drink in the parking lot and do not buy drinks in the club.

 

[Orchard]

I guess I'm just lucky, but I happen to live in a college town where the male to female ratio is about 1:2... and where a decent number of guys are gay, so it bumps it up to about 1:3... and where a vast majority of guys are total tool bags so the ratio goes to about 1:6 of actually available/date able guys. If you can, visit Chapel Hill. There are SO many college girls just waiting to be tapped in my area it is ridiculous.

Now that wasn't to brag, but these statements of 'Blah blah blah' is dead proves less of what you think it does, and proves more of it's all location, location, location.

 

[DonGorgon]

great thread

 

[gaspipe]

It’s time to pronounce the death of night game. After having its limbs hacked off and its genitals yanked out by the root for dog food, night game has finally shuffled off this mortal coil to that big swank discotheque in the sky. If you just discovered this ‘sphere and are reading up on the best shotgun negs to use on a HB7.5, you’re already behind the curve. The minute you step out of the cab, you’re going to get slaughtered.

I myself have gradually lost interest in the game over the past year, which is why I’ve haven’t felt motivated to write about this. Nonetheless, the fact that my nightlife observations are being backed up by individuals as diverse as TMWW, The Rookie, Raliv, and Assanova is more than a little frightening. Here’s is why I say night game is dead, based on my barhopping adventures over the past few months in the Capital Region and other burgs in the not-so-great American Northeast:

1) More **** than a rooster farm. I’m not exaggerating when I say the ratio of penises to vaginas in any given bar on a weekend night is 8 to 1. It’s wall-to-wall braciola parties from the Hudson to the quads. Women, being the risk-averse creatures that they are, have been frightened away from the nightlife circuit by the crummy economy. If you live in the northern U.S., Canada or any other region with a winter, you’re even more screwed, because girls REALLY don’t like going out in the cold. And if you live in an area with a lot of snowfall, God help you. The eastern part of New York state from NYC to the Canadian border isn’t so bad in this regard, but if you live west of Amsterdam, you can forget about getting laid until Easter. When the snow is falling, the gals don’t come calling.

2) More douche then a supermarket feminine hygiene aisle. A typical Friday night in the Capital Region looks like Jersey Shore, only this isn’t Jersey and there’s no shore. Ed Hardy threads, tribal tattoos, popped collars, and other markers of douchiness abound. And every single one of these ‘roid-raging Doucha-Loompas is competing against you to see who can win the slut’s heart and defile her in the loo. You can’t win. You try, and you’ll just get drowned in an ocean of gelled-haired duckfaced fist-pumping.

3) More female detritus than People of Walmart. When the economy’s bad and leaving your house entails digging your car out of four feet of snow in -5 degree weather, only a certain type of woman is willing to endure the trials and tribulations of going out – the kind of woman you wouldn’t **** with your dog’s ****. Fatties, fuglies, drug addicts, and dipsomaniacs puking on their own shoes are who you get the pleasure of trying to boff now. And on the off chance you do find a bangable girl, you’ll have to contend with every Pauly D wannabe in the city who’s trying to get in her pants before you do. All this fawning male attention won’t get her any closer to anyone’s bedroom, but it WILL engorge her ego until she’s crushing hapless douchebags in her Roche limit.

4) Girls who are less attentive and outgoing then an autistic kindergartener bombed on Red Bull. So you aren’t intimidated by the bratwurst-swinging hordes, you can douche it up with the best of them, and you don’t mind porking porkers. Even with all that in your favor, you might as well warm up your porn stash, because you are going home alone Friday night. Mr. Douchey McChubbylover, you simply cannot compete with the greatest piece of chick crack ever invented – the iPhone.

I decree Steve Jobs to be the biggest ****blocker in human history. In the good old days when cell phones were overpriced walkie-talkies, people who went out on the weekend were forced to engage with the world around them. As late as two years ago, you could introduce yourself to a girl and be assured that you could carry on a civil conversation for at least fifteen minutes. You might not get the lay or even a number, but you could put in a decent effort.

No more. The minute the girlies get to the bar, they whip out their iPhones and start texting all their friends to tell them where they are. Then the whole gang shows up and they all turn a deaf ear to everyone else save for the bartender. Try and introduce yourself? They’ll give you the cold shoulder. Get talking to a girl on her own? Her fat friend will pull her away in less than five minutes. You and your pals become fast friends with her and her friends? One of ‘em will suddenly get a text and announce, “Oh, our friends are at [OTHER BAR], so we’ve got to go. Nice meeting you.” I’ve had all this and more happen to me and my friends in the past three months alone, and it’s all due to those ****ing smartphones.

Oh, and did I mention that half the bars and clubs out there have their music cranked up so loud it’s impossible to hold a conversation without screaming at the top of your lungs? Have fun blasting through her ***** shield when your ears are bleeding from the bass.

Nope, night game is done, at least for the time being. You may be heading out looking for a good bad time, but your chances of getting any play are bad unless you’re rich, famous, or lucky. I won’t have to deal with the boorish girls in this city for much longer, but I pity the guys who are stuck here. I predicted over a year ago that nightlife would be dealt a fatal blow by the poor economy:

http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2010/12/20/night-game-is-dead-long-live-night-game/

Nice and witty observation. Yes night game and the clubbing scene is dead for now mainly becuase of the poor economy and the depressed mood here. You go abroad to places where the economy is booming, i,e, Brazil., China and other parts of South America, the night life is more vibrant than ever. I know because I get emails from friends abroad who inform me of whats going on in those parts.

 

[BingoBango]

In my experience the crap clubs with free entry etc are the ones with lots of guys. The more exclusive clubs that are harder to get into have a better range closer to 50:50. Girls in their 20s have more choice and sexual abundance than guys in their 20s, that's why they're less likely to go to a club to hunt for guys, especially considering they get hit on all day every day regardless of whether they go out or not.

Even if there are slightly more guys in the club, it shouldnt make much difference, because most guys are AFCs anyway. I thought the idea of clubbing (in terms of game) was to go out and meet as many women as possible in the quickest amount of time, so that we get better with women in general.

I agree that most people go clubbing and just hang out in their social circles. I think that's fine tho, the system works, it's piss easy to fvck girls in ur social circle - cold approaching is another matter

 

[Scars]

I just turned 21 last December, thinking it was some awesome thing. Now that I've experienced it finally, I really don't care for it. It's exactly as everyone here described it as.

-Scars

 

[DarkShade]

21 today isn't the 21 of yesteryear, that is for certain.

Great thread, keep it to the top.

Night game is indeed dead and, like always, the guys are behind when it comes to social progress. We're not wired to really care about what happens in the social circle; we're hunters, we strive for the 1v1 hunt (maybe even the 1v2 if the prey is available and worth the time). Girls have always been naturally ahead of the game when it comes to social interactions and circles of friends, because they have spent their youth with cheerleading :cheer: slumber parties, barbie tea parties and other similar feminine events that encourage the 'gatherer' mentality of multiple females doing similar tasks. This was essentially practice for them in the dating world. As guys, we were busy doing hunter/conqueror type games and events like video games, sports, working out and other solo or self-improvement/self-entertaining events and tasks. That's why girls walk around in groups because it feels natural, and guys only hang in groups because it feels necessary (when the prey outnumber the hunter in their native environment, who's hunting now?)

As stated in previous posts and in other threads, such as the Day Game thread, pulling girls and numbers in clubs and bars is as old as 'courting' guys did in the 1920s and taking their 'cars' to scenic cliffs overlooking the city for some 'heavy petting'. Time to wake up fellas and get with the times. Progress waits for no man.

 

[old married dude]

Just learn how to DJ, as in playing music, get a gig at a club(s) and they'll come to you!

I only go to clubs/lounges/venues where I'm working. Like others have said, ridiculous stuff happens too often at clubs nowadays. One of the last times I went out clubbin, I just happened to be eavesdropping on a group of guys b/c one was talking about wanting to fight a cop that night. I thought he was just talking crap, but half an hour later I saw a cop trying to escort him out...not sure why though...when the cop grabbed the guy he swung and hit the cop in the jaw. Bad idea...two other cops were 20 feet away and they rushed over and took this guy down hard, I mean literally slammed him to the floor WWF/WWE style. He got cuffed and carted off to jail. Yeah I'm sure his friends thought he was cool then...hopefully they weren't willing to bail him out.

 

[snowdog]

The thing about bars and clubs is that they're good training grounds.

 

[sstype]

Just learn how to DJ, as in playing music, get a gig at a club(s) and they'll come to you!

I stopped going to clubs when realizing the guys having the most success there (DJ, Bouncers, Promoters, Celebrities, Owner) were also the ones getting PAID to be there.

Remember.....players get played pimps get paid.

 

[snowdog]

Yea but chicks who go for bouncers are just too sad to even consider in my book. That's pretty much the lowest a girl can go really.