Guy leaves family in shooting

[cablecow15]

Thoughts on this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJlMjtsE9VU&feature=related

Look at the comments , im not defending this guys actions , but it seems the only acceptable option in the public eye in this scenario is to give up your life for the girl, a man putting himself first if apparently the ultimate form of evil

the fact that kids are involved makes it a lot worse tho

Idk , im not sure what to think of this



this may be more suited for another forum , but i thought the nature of the media's portrayal of the guy counts as a DJ topic

 

[Mr.SomeoneElse]

I was involved in the shooting that happened at Eaton Center in Toronto a few months ago.

I can say first hand that no one has the right to judge others actions in a situation like this. When this happens to you and you hear how loud/fast gunshots are and womans screams for help, you hear babies crying and people running in such large mobs that they don't care about who they trample. The person you are in your head and the person you are in real life is completely different. Its a surreal feeling watching a movie, or shopping for a jacket then gunfire breaks out and you get a first hand look at how fragile life is.
You can talk all you want about what you would have done ( tackle the shooter, jumped on all the children, etc.. ) but in reality you have NO idea what you would have done in a situation like this and I suggest you stop even putting your input in on it, keyboard warrior.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Mr someonelse, it doesnt look to me that cablecow is playing the keyboard warrior, he was just pointing out how the public opinion accept nothing but a man to sacrifice himself for the health of women and kids.

As if we are inferior in priority therefore expendable( like 100yrs ago) yet expected to recognize the new society in which we still have all the old dutie plus the new ones, the difference for me would be made from
who the woman and the kids are.

Sincerly if it was me in that case I would have tried to protect my wife and sons given that my wife is the "good type", wouldnt take a bullet for a feminist, regarding unknown women I couldnt care less and would run for my life.

 

[cablecow15]

Mr someonelse, it doesnt look to me that cablecow is playing the keyboard warrior, he was just pointing out how the public opinion accept nothing but a man to sacrifice himself for the health of women and kids.

As if we are inferior in priority therefore expendable( like 100yrs ago) yet expected to recognize the new society in which we still have all the old dutie plus the new ones, the difference for me would be made from
who the woman and the kids are.

Sincerly if it was me in that case I would have tried to protect my wife and sons given that my wife is the "good type", wouldnt take a bullet for a feminist, regarding unknown women I couldnt care less and would run for my life.

Exactly , I don't know what mr someones assuming im trying to say , but if you look at the comments on that vid , every one attacks the guy so brutally its ridiculous , If anything im agreeing with him , so I don't get where this hostility is coming from

 

[Mr.SomeoneElse]

My point is that none of us would even be able to say what we would do
Those of us saying we would run might actually stay and fight or save people
and those saying we would be the hero, might curl up in a ball and cry.

Who are we to pass judgement on anyone who was in that situation.

 

[cablecow15]

My point is that none of us would even be able to say what we would do
Those of us saying we would run might actually stay and fight or save people
and those saying we would be the hero, might curl up in a ball and cry.

Who are we to pass judgement on anyone who was in that situation.

Im NOT asking anyone what they would or wouldn't do ...... Im asking what they think about this constant media bullcrap about how we men are supposed to take all the risks and "be the hero" , if any man doesn't comply to that hes instantly hated.

 

[incognito42]

I think if it's your kid and your kids mother, it's not even a debate. Any other scenario and it just depends on who you are and how you feel. You don't owe some random skeez, friend, stranger, etc your life. However I would possibly risk my life to help them

 

[incognito42]

OGg

 

[Eternal_water]

Your right Cablecow

Its all the, "save the women children" stuff, a bit like "you may kiss the bride".

Makes so that men are less than women and its our duty to give our lives for them. Like its an honour to kiss the bride and she is doing the guy a favour.

I don't agree with it.

And yeah we can't know what we would do, but If I had to guess I'd I would probably leave.

 

[the_stig]

Mr Someonelse. If you would be so kind as to share your experience, I, for one, would be very interested in hearing a first hand account of a tragedy like this...

 

[Burroughs]

fvck these biatches...i can always make new kids :crackup:

 

[incognito42]

Your right Cablecow

Its all the, "save the women children" stuff, a bit like "you may kiss the bride".

Makes so that men are less than women and its our duty to give our lives for them. Like its an honour to kiss the bride and she is doing the guy a favour.

I don't agree with it.

And yeah we can't know what we would do, but If I had to guess I'd I would probably leave.

So you don't think being a protector of your wife and children is a natural male instinct? It's just media created and a con put on most men by the rest of society?

Ive yet to meet a girl that I "loved" or would intentionally take a bullet for other than my mom or sister, but I don't see the need to be so gung-ho alpha and say "F' my wife and kids, I'm outta here!".

I think certain things are in the male gender's DNA, that wasn't engrained into our minds by society. Like working hard in life and protecting your family

 

[Fly By Night]

If your apartment caught on fire, what one thing would you grab and get out with? Your wallet with all your ID's or your gameboy color? It is an issue of personal values.

It's that same situation where if you're being shot at, are the people with you important enough to you that would would try to save them, potentially at the cost of your own life? If you were out with some chick you just met like 2 days ago, who knows, maybe you might just ditch her. But if it's your 7 year long wife, then apparently she is someone special to you and your values will tell you that she is important.

The natural instinct of value evolves over time. So if some guy doesn't risk his life for her, it just means he does not value her enough at that point in time. You don't have to throw away your life for a stranger just because they are female.

 

[spang]

at least he didnt shield himself with her

 

[SoSuave666]

I started a thread on the reverse of this topic. Basically, three men shielded their gfs in the shooting and have been praised. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been...it's just difficult to say what anyone would have done in that situation given the same circumstance.

I think what really damns the guy is that you can tell he is beating himself up over it. If he went on camera and was like, "You know, my child was missing and I couldn't find him, so I jumped off the balcony to save myself" I don't think anyone would care. But the fact that he is either actually torn up or feigning being distraught over it is really damaging to his reputation. There is no fault in him not going back when he presumes his son is with his mother. It's when he KNOWS his son is not safe with his mother that he becomes a villain.

If it were my child, and there was even a 1% chance he was back behind the rafters potentially getting shot at, I would have been there. No question about that. Blood is thicker than water. If it's my wife, she is a big girl and can fend for herself. I'll try and help her, but if she is lagging behind and dragging for no apparent reason I'm not going to risk my life to save her.

Again, different circumstances bring forth different reactions. I can't judge whether or not I'd be inclined to jump ontop of my gf to save her, but I for sure know that if she's d!cking around for no reason when a murderer is on the loose, it's her own destiny.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

I have seen panic firsthand myself too. I was in few floors up in a building during that earthquake a couple of years ago that hit Ontario/Quebec. It wasn't major, but the building noticeably shook.

We looked at each other and headed straight for the stairs. A co-worker, who I also considered a friend pushed me out of the way in panic as he ran down the stairs. That put our relationship in perspective. lol

 

[Who Dares Win]

What is funny anyway is that no matter what you do, you are always wrong if you dont follow what mainstream culture and media decided.
It doesnt matter if you actions are logical, you whill be reproached if they dont conform.

If you live in a isolated home on the countryside and you buy a rifle to oppose to potential offenders you are shamed for being a violent fascist insecure of his penis size while it makes perfect sense to be armed since your home is a easier target for robbers while at the same time it would take more time for the police to arrive.

As a man it seems to me we are considered some sort of 2nd player on a rpg videogame, the one that has to get beaten while the main character recharge his weapon or run away from the superior enemy.
Be gentle to her, pay your dues, and bent your instincts according to what is good for her/society.

 

[Packers2010]

guys this is depressing, will you stop with all the shooting stuff. talk about girls that's why i am here. not to hear about how someone else spanned and kill a bunch of people because life is unfair.

if this is how it worked. i would have killed about 100000 people right now.

 

[Eternal_water]

I know this is only a fictional film scene that could never happen, but I think its quite realistic for how we would react in the situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd9PWvrkbO0

If your the woman, you scream for help instead of saying save yourself.

If your the guy and you see that you will die by trying to help you would leg it.

Obviously not a blanket rule but I think that would be realistic for a lot of people instead of some hollywood sacrificie yourself thing