"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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greyfox's first date tip #13

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I noticed in the boot camp book, greyfox says, "Never set up a date on a date." Was he referring to setting up the next date with the person you're on a date with, or was it intended to remind guys to not hit on other women during a date?

I ask because I had a first date last night. I walked her home, kiss (not the first), hug, I'll see you later. This is what I did. At the time, there was no doubt in my mind that I would indeed call her and set up another date, because this one for the most part was a ton of fun. I didn't even say something like, "Can I see you again?" I knew I would. It didn't even cross my mind until my friend asked how it ended, and thought that the fact that I hadn't confirmed a second date was a bad sign. Which would be funny, because she could be thinking the same thing right now.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Don't worry much about it, just call her a few days after the first date if you want to set up another. I personally wouldn't set up another right then for a specific time, but you may do something general like "this was fun, let's do it again soon" or something like that.
 

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JC I give you a big huge:down: that was a horrible response!! for shame, for shame.

arioch, greyfox was right in saying that and you have the gist of it. There's not much nice to say about a guy who sets up a date while on a date with the same girl.

It lends nothing to you in terms of mystery. Nothing, you set-up a date... she's already got a meal ticket, what more does she have to work for?
 

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what did you two do on your first date? Im curious to know since it seems like it went well.
 

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I agree. Just put it out there, but with NO firm attachments.

eg. "We gotta get together next week." then walk off.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Quick synopsis of the date

Because Legend asked, here is a quick synopsis:

--Long walk to a lake both of us had always wanted to go to but had never been (I totally thought that up thirty seconds before opening her door to pick her up).

--Swim at a lake in our underwear. Lots of darkness, lots of stars. I think it might have been romantic, but I really don't understand that term.

--Long walk back to town, with detour through graveyard.

--Discovered it wasn't nearly as late as we thought it would be, so instead of going to the one sh!tty pizza place that is the only place open after midnight, we went to the grocery store and picked up a frozen pizza.

--Went to my house, made pizza, and watched a DVD. She fell asleep on my lap.

--While she was sleeping is when I sort of panicked about the friend zone, so I resolved to kiss her when she got up, despite that taking such liberties with a sleepy woman is only slightly less sleazy as taking such liberties with a drunk one, and the fact that it implied I might think it would lead to something more, when I really didn't care.

--She got up. A little smooching.

--I walked her back to her dorm, but not all the way to her door. Smootch, long hug, back home to take a shower from swimming in slimey lake.

I would like to point out the context of this date is two students at a small liberal arts school in a tiny town twenty mintues' drive from one of the worst American cities (recently named worse than Detroit). So for me, it was a highly novel experience not having to leave town but not doing the same stuff there is to do here every night.

I'm thinking for someday (probably not next time) of implementing a scavenger hunt date, where instead of picking her up at the designated time I leave clues for her to follow to find me. I think I'd have to be more creative than I generally am to think up the clues though.

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Arioch: Tall. Long. Great.
 

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Originally posted by Boner da Stoner
JC I give you a big huge:down: that was a horrible response!! for shame, for shame.

arioch, greyfox was right in saying that and you have the gist of it. There's not much nice to say about a guy who sets up a date while on a date with the same girl.

It lends nothing to you in terms of mystery. Nothing, you set-up a date... she's already got a meal ticket, what more does she have to work for?
Agreed, but i dont think it ruins you.
 

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I'm not that easy. ;)

Wow, that was pretentious. OK, I'm not going to say I would never have sex on a first date, but that has been the trend so far.

My primary reason is the smootching was just that: smootching. I just wanted to say, "hey, I want to be more than friends," because that was what was on my mind at the time. And she didn't seem that into prolonging the smootching, and I assume that that was because she had hardly woken up and was still tired, though I suppose that might not be the case.

I suppose I could have reacted when she necked me a little when we were swimming, but she seemed timid about it, and besides, if movies have taught me anything, it's that two people having sex (or even making out) in the middle of the woods will die before the date is over.

Jeez, I thought discussing the date on this site would be more constructive, but instead it has lead me to just over-analyze everything to the point of second-guessing myself. I have learned that this is the point where I must accept that what's done is done. In two or three days I will call her and then I will really find out how I did, and until then, this will be the last time I think about this date.

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Arioch: Tall. Long. Great.
 
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