"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Great Date, High IL, what do I do now??

DjVelvet

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I think you lack calibration skills, but then again, experience will teach you that.

Continue to ask her out, in a confident non-wussy way of coz.

Rejected? Try again. This girl digs the "First Date you"

Remember how you score during the first date? Same mentality
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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You kind of tripped yourself over by emailing. That let the air out of the balloon. It sounds like she thinks you may have brushed her off:

you had a great date, then you follow-up the bad way: email. I've done that too and it screws things up. email is bland, efficient, convenient...impersonal.

You should call her in a couple of days and ask when she is free the week after so you can go out again. Maybe you should joke about how you hate email tag more than phone tag. That'll help you recover a bit. As for the games other talk about..yeah they're always gonna be there so just enjoy the ride and don't trip up too much :)
 

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Chrispy said:
You kind of tripped yourself over by emailing. That let the air out of the balloon. It sounds like she thinks you may have brushed her off:

you had a great date, then you follow-up the bad way: email. I've done that too and it screws things up. email is bland, efficient, convenient...impersonal.

You should call her in a couple of days and ask when she is free the week after so you can go out again. Maybe you should joke about how you hate email tag more than phone tag. That'll help you recover a bit. As for the games other talk about..yeah they're always gonna be there so just enjoy the ride and don't trip up too much :)
Well fellas, I laid off the emails and all communication for the past 5 days. Then CALLED her today, just to have her pick up the phone and tell me she had JUST emailed me like 30 seconds ago... Checked my email and by God she really JUST had.. FreeeeeKeyy.. lol

anyway, on the phone she said that in her email she had told me that was very busy until next weekend but wanted to see if i wanted to go out Friday AND/OR Saturday, as in like both days possibly! So on the phone we made a date for Friday. She apologized over and over for not having any time to see me for almost 2 weeks (between our LAST date last weekend and NEXT date next weekend), but she said she really was busy. I told her "sh*t don't apologize for having a life and other things to do. Not to me. We will see each other when we see each other, and we won't when we won't"..

Things are rolling nicely with this one fellas. I've still got that sick nervous feeling that I am going to f*** something up, but I assure you guys I am doing everything I can not to show it. I really don't think it's coming out to her

Thanks again fellas!
 

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Just keep your (short) conversations to telehone calls. Here's a suggestion to keep her on her toes; call her sometime during the week and ask her what she had planned to take you on Friday since you'd want to dress appropriately. No need for you to do all the work, right? :up:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Just keep your (short) conversations to telehone calls. Here's a suggestion to keep her on her toes; call her sometime during the week and ask her what she had planned to take you on Friday since you'd want to dress appropriately. No need for you to do all the work, right? :up:
LMAO I will do just that.. Francisco you always have some good stuff for us here. Freakin' A! :rockon:
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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logicallefty said:
LMAO I will do just that.. Francisco you always have some good stuff for us here. Freakin' A! :rockon:
Hey, who ever said that whomever asks for the date pays only holds true if the guy asks? Also (to everyone), don't think that you can always get a free meal just because you believe you are the prize. You must pull your weight but it doesn't mean that you need to do it alone.
 
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