Gotten so much better.. Still Fail Though

[LegendBoy]

Look I have improved a tonne through this site and my own will.

But it seems sometimes things just don't work. Last night my mate got this chick heis seeing and brought her friend along. I thought mad easy play.

Now usually I would get some, but tonight we drove around we were making them both laugh heaps and all that. But then I put my hand to the back and requested aback massage.. She said no. I said why not, she said because she isn't a slave.

Um rightio then. What the **** does that mean :S.

Now this chick had a heaps pretty face and an average body. Wouldn't do **** though. I was going to number close when she left. But I though **** it. Because she gave me no reason to suggest she was interested.

It pisses me off. When I go forward into discussions with these girls with the mindset I am above them and its true. Then they tend to think there a bit hot. Mind you we picked them up at 10.30pm cruised around stopped at the bach and dropped them off at 2am. Why she act like this ???

I mean I am not in love or anything, shes an alright girl just another option. I dont give a **** if I get anything or not. However its hard to predict interest. When they are too forward, there sluts and when there not its "no interest".

I am thinking best measure of interest would be if she came out again.

It just pisses me off, that I fail..

 

[woods]

She may have been **** testing you. You should have said if she was any good you'd give her one back.

 

[Jay Jay]

Okay lets run through that bit again.

"Give me a massage."

(Bad idea to order girls to touch you until you have developed physical intimacy. Very bad idea to do it infront of her friends unless she is massively into you or her friends are already getting physical too.)

"No."

(Always respond to a NO as if it doesn't bother you).

"Why not?"

(bad response there. You are now allowing her negaitve attitude to colour the exchange and forcing her to articulate why not. Her answer probably won't be the true answer, simply one she thinks is a defendable one. Now she will be entrenched in opposition to you.

"Your loss." or something to suggest you were doing her a favour would have been good way to respond or turned to your friend and said, "I thought you said they were fun... " Dunno something like that, but by asking her "why not" you were giving her control of the exchange and letting things get negative.)

"I'm not a slave."

(You are still not out of the game! "But you could be!" "Sh*t I never said you were, lighten up girl!" "You're damn straight you're not, you need to pay good money for a slave these days").

You know just stay in your frame of having fun and don't buy into her ****.

JJ

 

[danielzxc]

LegendBoy, you've got problems man. But they are NOT the problems YOU think.

First off, requesting a massage is not that bad a thing, imo. However, SOME girls see it as a very sexual thing, and therefore they won't do it in case it seems as though they are giving consent to further things between you (like having your kokk in her mouth) and so they say no in order to avoid seeming slutty -- EVEN IF THEY ACTUALLY LIKE YOU. That's one possibility.

The other possibilities are:

OTher girls are much more casual about massages, and they might give you one even if they have no intention of doing anything further with you.

They can like you AND be willing to massage. (Best of both worlds)

Or they simply don't like you and won't massage you.

YOUR problem is that you automatically assume it's the last one. She turned you down so straight away you think you "failed". Gimme a break man!

I think you are clearly smart enough to acknowledge that there are four possibilities here, and once you are turned down, there are two possible reasons for it. But "deep down" I bet you believe the only "real" explanation is that she didn't really like you, that she wasn't really into you. What you need to realize is that no matter how strongly you FEEL that her turning down your massage request means she doesn't like you, you cannot KNOW this. So stop feeling so down on yourself.

Woods and jay jay gave you a couple of good comebacks for what you could have said. (I like woods's one: why, 'cos you're no good? and then there are heaps of comebacks for no matter what she says). The point of this isn't to get her to like you, it's to prevent her from NOT liking you. I bet the scenario in the car with you guys went like this: you're laughing and joking and everything and you are probably feeling pretty cool, then you ask for the massage, she turns you down, you come back with that pretty lame "why not" question ("why not" can be said in a casual/playful "dont give a shhyyt" too btw) and then the wind went out of your sails and you were no longer as fun and cool. True? How do you think that looks to the chick? Probably she's not consciously aware of it, but you just don't strike as her as a very attractive prospect all of a sudden. That's why if you need some playful comebacks to show that you are not fazed at all, because then you just keep the same fun atmosphere happening. Eg, let's say you got turned down for massage in teh car, but you played it all cool, later if you were at the beach you could have said to her "come on...don't be such a lazy shyytt, give me a little massage..." and if she said no, you could have played it cool again, like "oh alright...i get it, you want me to go first..." and if she turns that down ,well, i'll be honest, by now it's not looking all that good, but you STILL play it cool.

This isn't KB stuff man, this is the kind of thing I have done PLENTY of times in my life. (Right now i am half the man i was, that's true, but that is a confidence thing, that i am slowly rebuilding.) Just trust me man, you didn't "fail" here. You just didn't play things cool. And when you DO play things cool, whether you "succeed" or "fail", you still win, because playing things cool is the mark of a superior person.

 

[LegendBoy]

Appreciate the reply daniel, girls in australia love cruising around with guys, probably same all over the world. The night was a bit of fun. Just sucks I didn't get none.

On another noteToday at uni I was talking to this chik in maths.. lol... I saw two bracelets on the desk pink ones and I wore them both. End of tutorial I gave her one back and told I will keep other one and give it to her another time. She smiled and let me. Saw her around later and she seemed all excited.

She is below my looks standards. I still want to **** her, nice personality. Time shall tell. She also said she would come watch a soccer game of mine. Good sign right?

Daniel u still get chicks in your car. What ya drive? I just got my p's and drive a honda prelude 88. Isn't tooo flash but it does the job..

Atm I got 3 prospects. Maybe more to follow.

 

[danielzxc]

On another noteToday at uni I was talking to this chik in maths.. lol... I saw two bracelets on the desk pink ones and I wore them both. End of tutorial I gave her one back and told I will keep other one and give it to her another time. She smiled and let me. Saw her around later and she seemed all excited.

Well, you're a guy who likes signs... yes this is a good sign!

She is below my looks standards. I still want to **** her, nice personality. Time shall tell. She also said she would come watch a soccer game of mine. Good sign right?

So is this.

Daniel u still get chicks in your car. What ya drive? I just got my p's and drive a honda prelude 88. Isn't tooo flash but it does the job..

Bro, to be straight with you, I haven't had a chick in my car for a good few years. (Well, none that I wanted to fvvkk anyway.) Still have the same VP commodore i have had for years. Was never a problem back when I used to pick up a lot. Never really been THAT much into cars cos i could never justify the costs... but i would love to drive something nicer. 88 Preludes are nice, they have definitely held up over the years. My mate had a nice black one with sunroof... looked pretty mad. Definitely impressive enough to most chicks your age! (How much they go for now? I wouldn't mind one actually... or maybe a 300ZX -- "turkish ferrari" lol)

 

[LegendBoy]

I got my 88 prelude cheap($2000) because of high kms. I am going to sell it before rego runs out. They go between 2-4 depends. Im going to sell it soon and get a 93 prelude hopefully better shape and lower kms. 88 Prelude is the only sport looking car that is remotely cheap.

300ZX is the ****. You could get one for around $11 000. Eventually I want a Supra or Skyline.

Last month or two. I have had plenty of chicks in my car. Me and my mate when we pick up a chick or something. We also ask them to bring a friend along.

Uni is so good for pick ups. Pool tables near a bar at our uni. Heaven ahah
What ya do now.

 

[danielzxc]

Shyytt, 2-4 is that all? Hmm, might have to look into it. 93 prelude, if it's the same as the '95, that's still a nice car. Yeah, 300zx would be crazy to have. 11-12 isn't bad, but then i have to get finance and hmm, fvvkk it man, i'd rather buy clothes with that money.

Yous hang out at that "beach" in wollongong where everyone just goes and parks yeah? (I don't think anyone swims there...) If that's the one, I've been there a few times. Not a bad place to hang out, but lotsa fvvkkheads there.

For uni, an awsome tactic is to just dress really well. Like i mean, so that you stand out. Some guys might look at u a bit funny, but fkk them, the chicks love it man. At the pool tables you'll be a star attraction and have a lot of their attention on you. That's why I reckon clothes is better than car for pulling , because most of the time you're not in your car. And seriously, by the time a chick is on your car, most of the time the hard work has already been done. You don't wanna be one of those kunts who is only known for his car, like say someone with a new skyline. I mean it's a fvvkkn mad car, and yeah, chicks will wanna ride in it, but, i dunno man, to me that is just fkkn lame to have to rely on your car. That's my take on it, anyway. (Well, if you were some fat ugly kunt, then okay, a car is more justifiable. But you're athletic and good looking, fkk it man, just dress ultra good and you'll be a star.)

Trust me man, i am giving u rock solid advice bro. I don't write these kinds of replies to americans cos their scene is different. But i have lived the crazy life in aus as a wog, so in this scene, i know what i am talking about. So is some american reading this reckons i'm FOS he can eat shhyyt because although there are broad similarities for picking up no matter where u are, i am talking specifics about the way things work down here, especially when you're a wog.