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Got thrown a curveball by a hot women. What happened?

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Hay guys, I just got a puzzle thrown in my lap and I need some help deciphering it. (Let me start with some background.)

So I met an attractive and intelligent women about a month go. She is a professional performer and is perhaps about 6-8 inches taller then me (I haven't bothered to check, when we sit down it doesn't matter.) I don't have any hangups about my height but when I started with the ****y funny I noticed that she has some hang ups about her height since she is taller then all the guys i know.

Any how I made the approach and got her to hang with my friends when we first met. (All under the assumption of doing business and having fun.) The Second time we had a light dinner alone (talked shop and had fun.) She was laughing all night played with her hair and even adjusted to my posture several times. Third time she came to a party of mine and said it was amazing.

Now down to the meat and potatoes. She invited me to one of her performances which i went to tonight. I figured that she might be because with fans and etc so i brought a date. I also didn't want to be the lone needy loser waiting for her attention in the back.

When I got there, she ignored me completely. I called out to her to say hello and she said nothing. During her performance sang a song talking about how she would never date anyone that is shorter then her no matter how amazing he was. (It was a funny song, my date and I laughed.)

When it was all over i went to see her backstage and she gave me the cold shoulder for a bit. So i waited till things settled down. Then she came up to me and gave me a " Hay how it going.. you" Big a big smile and a hug. But she never said my name and was totally impersonal. In fact my date thought I didn't even know her. I told her that I need to leave with my date but it was fun and booked.

OK So WTF happened. Is she trying to challenge me saying I don't date short guys, so your going to have to step up your game? Was she mad/stunned that I brought another attractive girl to her performance?

Any and all insights would be useful
 

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masterintraining said:
She invited me to one of her performances which i went to tonight.
WITH A DATE!?!?!?


Lol! What would you have done if you invited her to something important in your life, and she came... with a date!? WTH. Suppose you played baseball or something, and you asked her to come see you play, and she came with some hot guy on a date!?

Isn't that the wrong place to take a date anyways? To a function of someone else you are interested in, who invited you?

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. How ridiculous, and you menfolk think women are from another planet.

She played that perfectly.
 

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But i had no idea how big the crowd was going to be and if she was going to have other people she was dating there. If I came with no date and she wasn't looking to hook up or what ever i would have looked like a needy loser.

So now that it's done with, how do i bounce back?
 

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masterintraining said:
But i had no idea how big the crowd was going to be and if she was going to have other people she was dating there. If I came with no date and she wasn't looking to hook up or what ever i would have looked like a needy loser.

So now that it's done with, how do i bounce back?
You should not have brought a date. You could have brought a friend.

I don't know! I normally say take her to get ice cream, as that solves all, but you royally fvcked up! She might bring a date!

Maybe you should just be honest and tell her what you thought. That there would be other guys there she was dating, and blah blah blah. I don't know what else, you have to atleast tell her why you brought a date to something she invited you to.
 

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iqqi said:
You should not have brought a date. You could have brought a friend.

I don't know! I normally say take her to get ice cream, as that solves all, but you royally fvcked up! She might bring a date!

Maybe you should just be honest and tell her what you thought. That there would be other guys there she was dating, and blah blah blah. I don't know what else, you have to atleast tell her why you brought a date to something she invited you to.

yeah but thats the thing, there is no way for her to know it was a date. I have lots of female friends i take out. The girl i brought is a friend since I'm still sizing her up. I wasn't kissing on the girl or anything like that.
 

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Naa i treat all women the same. Does anyone else have any useful advice. I don't think taking her out for ice cream will cut it.
 

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Don't listen to iqqi she doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. This girl knew what she was doing, she had that song planned out ahead of time, she had to have (not saying it was direct specifically at you but still). The worst thing you could've done was showed up alone or with a guy just to be tooled by her. You played it right by bringing a girl with you. This girl sounds like a manipulator. Your "FR" of meeting her and leading up to this is kind of confusing though.
 

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iqqi said:
What would you have done if you invited her to something important in your life, and she came... with a date!? WTH. Suppose you played baseball or something, and you asked her to come see you play, and she came with some hot guy on a date!?

Isn't that the wrong place to take a date anyways? To a function of someone else you are interested in, who invited you?[/I]
I stand by this completely, how can anyone not see this?!

Oh well. good luck with that!
 

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rofl. Are you serious???

You don't bring a date when a girl your dating is asking you to come to something
 

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masterintraining said:
So I met an attractive and intelligent women about a month go. She is a professional performer and is perhaps about 6-8 inches taller then me (I haven't bothered to check, when we sit down it doesn't matter.) I don't have any hangups about my height

6-8 inches taller than you?

Sorry pal, you don't have a chance in h<LL.
 

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Blow her off. Sounds like you had a better time with the other girl anyway.
 

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Hay Don juan, the game is all about not having limits. It doesn't matter what she is, but if I want.
 

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Just act is if nothing happened. All you did (although abit silly) was to introduce some competition, if she's interested in you, you just raised the bar for her to get you. If she's not, then you didn't appear needy. Win win as far I can see.

As far as women saying "I don't date.....", is crap. I've known women trot out all the guys that "arn't her type", then sleep with those exact guys when their games tight enough.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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iqqi said:
I stand by this completely, how can anyone not see this?!

Oh well. good luck with that!
Iqqi, see how upset and emotional your getting. That's the idea.
 

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Here is a unique set of thoughts:

Ok she picks and chooses the songs in her performance.

You guys have been talking business stuff for a while but you have probably been giving some serious choosing signals.

She new exactly which song to sing and she did that for a reason.

Maybe she is trying to give you a message before things get ugly without losing a possible performance gig.

I am sure she is used to short guys hitting on her all the time. For some reason guys like that like women who are way taller than they are as if they need to prove something by dating women like that. Thank god you don't have that issue. But, she is used to it more than likely.

So, as I said maybe she is trying to TELL YOU something without hurting your feelings.

Just a off the wall guess.
 

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What you did was disrespectful to both women and showed a lack of class.
 

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MASTERINTRAINING

don't listen to the advice u gotten so far on this thread

whats wrong with you guys??? he said he brought a DATE, but then he clearly explained that all he did was sit there and did not flirt/cuddle/kiss with his "date", so basically he just brought a friend whos a girl, just to get this other girl's emotional rollercoaster going........she has no reason to hate him, he just sat there with his friend who happens to be female, BIG DEAL

masterintraining, you need to just do what u were doing thus far and ignore what happened that night, just keep on hanging out and hooking up with the girl your gaming, its alllllllll good
 

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Bvbidd said:
Iqqi, see how upset and emotional your getting. That's the idea.
I am not upset or emotional, I am in a state of disbelief at the ignorance of some people.

He did not just "introduce some competition". That would have maybe been the scenario if he ran into her somewhere else. But NO. He was invited by her (a girl he is dating/wants to date) to her function, and he brought a date! LOL! Idiot!

How retarded! There is no other way to see it. Anyone else who sees it as ok, I can't see them being successful with the ladies...

And whoever thinks she picked that song all by herself... that sounds farfetched and paranoid too! It wasn't a concert, it was a play. As in scripted, most likely.
 

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